Gun Control & RKBA

discntnt_irny_srcsm

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85. What we individually need to ask is...

Reply to ellisonz (Original post)

Sat Mar 31, 2012, 01:11 PM

Mar 2012

..."Do my legislators think with their brains or their glands."

The hand wringers need to go. Their time is past.

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Where's the Trayvon Martin petition about gun control? [View all] ellisonz Mar 2012 OP

Petitions are not good evidence in prosecutions pipoman Mar 2012 #1

Have you read this from the former Chief of Miami PD: ellisonz Mar 2012 #3

Law enforcement officers... Clames Mar 2012 #4

Ridiculous. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #5

Post removed Post removed Mar 2012 #6

And your argument is absurd. ellisonz Mar 2012 #8

they certainly have the right to comment gejohnston Mar 2012 #10

Your amigo there stated... ellisonz Mar 2012 #11

what are you asking me for? gejohnston Mar 2012 #13

"the burden of proof is on the crime victim" ellisonz Mar 2012 #14

then you agree gejohnston Mar 2012 #15

Nothing could be more just and reasonable than the duty to retreat... ellisonz Mar 2012 #16

the dead? gejohnston Mar 2012 #18

"The crime victim is the one being attacked (if it is a true self defense case)." ellisonz Mar 2012 #19

did I say preemptive immunity in criminal court? gejohnston Mar 2012 #20

That's what it amounts to often... ellisonz Mar 2012 #22

just kicking in the door gejohnston Mar 2012 #23

Not all castle doctrines are created equal gejohnston Mar 2012 #33

Someone's life is certainly worth property in certain circumstances... MicaelS Mar 2012 #70

Most cases sarisataka Mar 2012 #21

- it should not be incumbent on Oneka Mar 2012 #31

They ought to call these White Wash Laws... ellisonz Mar 2012 #36

There should be absolutely No Duty to Retreat MicaelS Mar 2012 #69

LMGTFY Callisto32 Mar 2012 #26

I could back that sarisataka Mar 2012 #17

Really? REALLY? beevul Mar 2012 #24

The reply, should you receive one... Marengo Mar 2012 #34

Whatever you say, dude. ellisonz Mar 2012 #38

I was right, essentially ignored as you didn't address the points raised. Marengo Mar 2012 #43

I've got better fish to fry. ellisonz Mar 2012 #44

Uh Huh, Sure you do... Marengo Mar 2012 #45

Okay, don't show any respect for other's experiences and opinions... ellisonz Mar 2012 #37

LOL! A reply substantive beyond my wildest imagination. Marengo Mar 2012 #42

Respect is earned, not assumed. beevul Mar 2012 #50

41 years in law enforcement... ellisonz Mar 2012 #51

Strawman. beevul Mar 2012 #54

"You didn't like stand your ground laws BEFORE this incident" ellisonz Mar 2012 #55

Why...? beevul Mar 2012 #56

Utter nonsense. ellisonz Mar 2012 #58

What I was responding to was. beevul Mar 2012 #76

Circular and nonsencical Oneka Mar 2012 #63

Why should he? You certainly don't. oneshooter Mar 2012 #52

That's because you aren't paying attention. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #53

No, it's because you have failed to do so. oneshooter Mar 2012 #57

OH REALLY??????????? AH1Apache Mar 2012 #47

Castle doctrine and SYG are two different things gejohnston Mar 2012 #7

They both operate under the same basic principles in legal application. n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #9

but in different places gejohnston Mar 2012 #12

Please provide a review of the cases and tell us... PavePusher Mar 2012 #32

How about you go spend a Sunday afternoon digging that up? ellisonz Mar 2012 #35

Why don't you? Otherwise, it's an argument from authority. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2012 #46

It's good have authority in your arguments... ellisonz Mar 2012 #49

ellisonz, going for the logical fallacy hat-trick! lol (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #92

good question gejohnston Mar 2012 #2

Because a tiny minority abuse gun rights is no reason to take our rights away. GreenStormCloud Mar 2012 #25

Hopefully more AA's will take advantage of CC permits. ileus Mar 2012 #27

yes. Tuesday Afternoon Mar 2012 #28

They are also more likely to kill with them. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #29

won't but the antis want to... ileus Mar 2012 #30

And we're supposed to believe you don't want a liscense to commit murder? ellisonz Mar 2012 #39

What does this have to do with my post? Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #59

"We don't punish the innocent for the crimes of the guilty." ellisonz Mar 2012 #60

So in your world ... Straw Man Mar 2012 #61

"it shouldn't matter how you got killed. Shot in the front, shot in the back, or hung from a tree." ellisonz Mar 2012 #62

And again, we aren't talking about the death of innocent people here. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #65

"or hung from a tree" ellisonz Mar 2012 #66

For a violent crime. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #72

So Zimmerman and friends should have lynched Trayvon Martin if he injured him in self-defense? n/t ellisonz Mar 2012 #73

Nope. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #74

"Obviously my hanging after-the-fact statement is absurd." ellisonz Mar 2012 #75

You're welcome. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #77

It's getting worse. Straw Man Apr 2012 #87

Spoken... ellisonz Apr 2012 #88

Please explain ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #89

Trayvon Martin is a violent criminal? ellisonz Apr 2012 #94

No. Straw Man Apr 2012 #95

So what were you saying... ellisonz Apr 2012 #96

Simply this. Straw Man Apr 2012 #97

"It looks very much as though George Zimmerman is lying and initiated the attack." ellisonz Apr 2012 #98

You still can't see the difference, can you. Straw Man Apr 2012 #99

It appears that that did not happen. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #102

Presumably you are both talking about the violent criminals *I* was talking about. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #101

Except I clearly said I don't have much sympathy for DEAD ARMED ROBBERS. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #64

"Does this mean that African Americans can't be trusted with firearms for self-defense?" Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #83

Welcome to Starboard Tack's nanny state. Atypical Liberal Mar 2012 #84

Where did I say I was anti-gun? Starboard Tack Mar 2012 #86

Right here: "Fact is, nobody can be "trusted" with firearms for self defense." Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #90

What utter nonsense. Are you devoid of comprehension skills? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #91

By your logic, then, you must trust noone. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #100

Nice to see and open acknowledgement of the racist roots of Gun Control ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #40

And a complete dismissal of its relevance... ellisonz Mar 2012 #41

Some of us are not dismissed so easily ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #48

"Where's the petition?" - Same place all the other gun control petitions are. DonP Mar 2012 #67

Whereas those of us who believe in RKBA AH1Apache Mar 2012 #68

Next time you run across a hardcore anti-gun person shadowrider Mar 2012 #71

I have asked that a few times DonP Mar 2012 #78

But it hardly follows... that African Americans would be safer if they armed themselves. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #79

It would be interesting to compare... sarisataka Mar 2012 #80

I agree, in fact, I believe it has been done. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #81

Interesting read sarisataka Mar 2012 #82

Complex, multi-level solutions... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #93

What we individually need to ask is... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2012 #85

We need to ask whether 'Stand Your Ground' measures make people trigger-happy. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #103