Fatal Cop Shooting Suspect Killed In Standoff

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54. You aren't the only one.

"Tired of being fed bullshit about how individual gun rights are more important than civic rights. And yes, I do believe that turning a blind-eye to the rampant criminality that pervades the gun industry is de facto unlimited gun rights."

The right to keep and bear arms, whether you like it or not, IS a civil right. A constitutionally protected one at that. We can go on for days about "coulda woulda shoulda" or that you disagree with the current state of things, but doing so, all that happens is you lose sight of reality:

It is what it is. Calling it otherwise, wishing, hopeing, or preying, that it were otherwise isn't going to change it.

Now, on to the "rampant criminality that pervades the gun industry"...You have provided no evidence of criminality of the gun industry. Furthermore, you have not provided any smidgen of a large pile of evidence it would require to prove "rampant" criminality.

As for your link, excuse me if I don't take the word of a one percenter and anti-gunner, or the "studies" he pushes for.

Yes, I read what people post here.

""In real life, knife robberies are more violent, and produce more injuries...Strong arm robberies are the most violent of all, almost always producing injuries."

Your problem with this statement is? If you can disprove it, do so, if not, don't whine about it.

"Since you get most of your gun knowledge from Brady, did you believe the Al Qaida guy who said you can buy machine guns at gun shows with little problem?"

Well, you HAVE, iirc, posted things from brady, which anyone with anything remotely close to any sense of objectivity knows, is a dishonest group.

""Buying a gun or guns is an excellent act of defiance toward Gun Prohibitionists."

I tend to agree with that sentiment, and think the gun prohibitionists could use a figurative poke in the eye now and then. If you aren't one, why would this statement bother you?

""The government does not have the legal authority to determine my firearms needs, regardless of how many think it has the power."

The problem with that statement is?


"Not trying to call out - just pointing out the level of denialism that goes on in the pro-gun community."

The problem with you pointing out "denialism", is that, to these eyes, you haven't factually established anything for anyone to be denying, though its clear you think you have.

"You try debating 6 people who want to have the season ad nauseum conversation that denies basic chains of causation and correlation, flinging insults, and engaging in what any sociologist would term groupthink."

You haven't established any "basic chains of causation". Do you understand that?

As far as flinging insults, while I myself as well as many of my colleagues of the pro-gun stripe have been guilty of it on occasion, factually, that pales in comparison to the insults we recieve from your colleagues on the other side.

If you doubt that what so ever, I suggest you read the guns forum archives, as they'll bear out what I say, as fact.