Gun Control & RKBA

OrwellwasRight

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72. Um, no. She is wrong.

Mon Apr 2, 2012, 06:44 PM

Apr 2012

You prove to me that the law isn't relevant by quoting the law? Hilarious. That proves it IS relevant. Whether or not you think the law is properly applied, the fact is, the law was used as an excuse not to arrest Zimmerman. That one sentence makes it relevant. If it didn't exist, it couldn't be used as an excuse. The two are clearly related. This may not prove whether other things were or were not also relevant or whether the Chief of Police, DA, Grand Jury, or any other party has or in the future will apply this law correctly or a myriad of other things. However, the basic proposition that the Stand Your Ground law has nothing to do with this case is ABSURD.

I also love that you are concerned about Zimmerman's suffering. For real?

And your confidence that it WILL go to trial. Can you also tell me what my mother will get me for Christmas? I love to meet fortune tellers.

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Ann Coulter States SYG Laws Have Nothing To Do With Zimmerman Situation [View all] fightthegoodfightnow Apr 2012 OP

on this point, Voice for Peace Apr 2012 #1

I don't think SYG has anything to do with this particular case. russspeakeasy Apr 2012 #2

No. rrneck Apr 2012 #3

The only way the SYG law would have applied tularetom Apr 2012 #4

SYG only applies to Trayvon Martin. aquart Apr 2012 #5

Problem is that Zimmerman is using SYG laws as his defense HockeyMom Apr 2012 #6

How do you know, for a fact, he's using SYG as a defense? Are you inside his shadowrider Apr 2012 #17

He's using "self-defense" and so far it has worked. Further, most folks like Zimmerman only Hoyt Apr 2012 #27

"Self-defense" is a far cry from SYG. shadowrider Apr 2012 #63

"Zimmerman was not acting in self-defense..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #33

+1000 HockeyMom Apr 2012 #40

Sanford, FL discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #46

You didn't answer the question. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #82

I'm not sure the law sees it that way. Straw Man Apr 2012 #47

That may be but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #50

I mostly agree. Straw Man Apr 2012 #58

And other criminals *attempt* to use the fourth, fifth, or first amendment as their defense. X_Digger Apr 2012 #76

I'll skate around this gejohnston Apr 2012 #7

From the St. Pete Times today teach1st Apr 2012 #8

it sounds like gejohnston Apr 2012 #10

More than one or two teach1st Apr 2012 #14

the old law gejohnston Apr 2012 #18

She's wrong. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #9

I don't think so gejohnston Apr 2012 #11

Yes, I have heard this meme. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #13

the same way gejohnston Apr 2012 #15

Not true. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #16

not always gejohnston Apr 2012 #19

So they are prohibited from owning guns not from being a person. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #25

I didn't create the term gejohnston Apr 2012 #29

Yes, but that was actually the main problem with the old law. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #20

"The baby out with the bathwater" assumes the law is good. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #24

you don't get it gejohnston Apr 2012 #26

People like you should not make assumptions about people like me. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #31

people like me? gejohnston Apr 2012 #34

Yes, people "like you" OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #39

The old law isn't "ass backward" as you suggest COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #30

Insanity and self defense are two extremely different situations. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #38

The homicide is not "justifiable" until it has been proved so. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #42

Are you saying this is how the law is under the SYG laws? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #48

No, you were responding to Colgate4's post on the "old laws" OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #74

I really should have known better COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #65

Trying to pull elitism, here? PavePusher Apr 2012 #68

I explained the law to the layman. He wasn't happy with the COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #69

There is an "agree" or "disagree" on how just the law is. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #70

There's really no 'agree' or disagree' here. We're not voting COLGATE4 Apr 2012 #71

lol, peace out man. eqfan592 Apr 2012 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author X_Digger Apr 2012 #79

No, you're wrong. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #52

Um, no. She is wrong. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #72

Reading is fundamental. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #81

The fact that it has been "leveraged" makes it relevant. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #83

That doesn't imply empathy at all. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #88

What you cite as facts are merely your version: OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #89

You made no allowance for a misunderstanding. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #92

1) I did not say OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #95

No. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #99

I ignore an incorrect definition of "relevant" OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #100

And. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #103

No, Zimmerman would have just changed his story.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #78

Of course the state would still be checking evidence. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #84

Does a racist / corrupt PD need an excuse to not do their jobs? X_Digger Apr 2012 #85

That does not prove non-relevance. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #86

If we'd likely be in the same place, it's irrelevant. n/t X_Digger Apr 2012 #87

No, that is not the test for relevance. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #90

We're not in court, counselor. X_Digger Apr 2012 #91

Nope. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #93

'connection with the matter at hand' - if absent, we'd be in the same place -- no connection. n/t X_Digger Apr 2012 #94

That is not what "connection" means. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #97

I'm not arguing with the dictionary, counselor. X_Digger Apr 2012 #98

Yes, if there were a law that allowed you to shoot others while wearing a dress. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #101

There's no lack of amusement to laugh at. X_Digger Apr 2012 #102

Wow. Just Sad. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #104

Oh I plan to. X_Digger Apr 2012 #105

If Annthrax told me the sun rose in the east,..... lastlib Apr 2012 #12

you would actually pay attention gejohnston Apr 2012 #22

Only the antis are hooked into believing this shooting was SYG related. ileus Apr 2012 #21

Anyone who doesn't see SYG as the issue is in denial Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #23

Zimmerman is hiding behind SYG. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #32

Yes, the fact that it leads to more people suffering a violent death. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #35

I ask gently and with respect... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #36

Sure Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #37

However... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #44

Soooooo, rrneck Apr 2012 #45

Not in your home, necessarily Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #55

You failed to address the issue at hand. rrneck Apr 2012 #56

See post 52. Read the statute. Read the responding officer's statement. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #53

We shall see Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #54

Not true. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #61

What physical evidence? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #66

All things not apparently in evidence. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #67

Are you a DU member who agrees with Ann Coulter and if so why? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #28

If Zimmerman was the aggressor, the instigator, then he cannot claim self-defense, period, unless... krispos42 Apr 2012 #41

The fact is he IS claiming so. OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #43

And I'm a 6'2" bodybuilder/former Navy SEAL who stole three bars of gold from Osama's hideout... krispos42 Apr 2012 #51

All your posturing aside, OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #73

"That is your interpretation of proper application of the law" AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #106

not qualified: OrwellwasRight Apr 2012 #107

NAACP makes the same claim. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #49

No witnesses has everything to do with this, SYG has nothing to do with it.. pipoman Apr 2012 #57

Without witnesses under the old law it would be hard to prove that Zimmerman acted incorrectly ... spin Apr 2012 #59

Just wondering... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #60

I am not sure what coulter has to do with anything? If it is 1pm and she says it is, and I agree, The Straight Story Apr 2012 #62

The right-wing just loves to inject the SYG into the debate because it deflects away from Zimmerman GreydeeThos Apr 2012 #64

Zimmerman wasn't standing his ground. BiggJawn Apr 2012 #77

nice dialogue you got going here Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #80

I thought that Z. or some law enforcement officials claimed SYG and left him go. Looks like he AlinPA Apr 2012 #96