Gun Control & RKBA

pipoman

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69. Yeah,

Wed Apr 4, 2012, 08:07 PM

Apr 2012

16 year olds account for a fair portion of all murders..

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/teens.cfm

And no, this incident will change many lives, including that of the shooter. The vast majority of people who have guns for defense never want to use them, just like people with fire extinguishers want to use them. Everyone who uses a gun to kill someone justifiably or not regrets it...I've only met one person who claims to not regret any murders he committed, he's in a cell in AdMax, Florence for the rest of his life. The other 10 people I have known, who killed people all visibly regretted and/or second guessed their actions. Some were obviously to everyone justified killings...they still second guess themselves to this day.

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Another Florida CCW permit holder stands their ground, kills assailant. [View all] Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 OP

"Good for the store owner!" Maybe, except that a major can of worms has now been opened. teddy51 Apr 2012 #1

Oh please. They've been saying that for decades. It's still not true. TheWraith Apr 2012 #4

Uhhh davidthegnome Apr 2012 #7

It may have been "legally justified", but morally justified to kill a 16 yo WIthOUT REGRET? hlthe2b Apr 2012 #10

"I know the police does not teach non-lethal wounding shots in most jurisdictions anymore..." PavePusher Apr 2012 #17

and your comments are just hlthe2b Apr 2012 #73

but accurate gejohnston Apr 2012 #74

I note that you are usually among the more moderate here... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #75

let me clarify gejohnston Apr 2012 #79

Suggesting you "shoot to wound" IS foolish. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #88

I did NOT call you any names. PavePusher Apr 2012 #112

Depends on what you mean by "regret." Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #49

Does the age of an assailant make you less dead? sarisataka Apr 2012 #57

Reminds of another Florida case a few months ago gejohnston Apr 2012 #66

Is it "morally justified" for a 16yo to threaten anyone with a gun? rl6214 Apr 2012 #67

Well said. NewMoonTherian Apr 2012 #81

"Non lethal, wounding shots" Callisto32 Apr 2012 #87

TV westerns are not documentaries. gejohnston Apr 2012 #5

Maybe but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #11

Firearms in circulation are up, but crime is down. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #13

Dang right thar Darryl! Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #33

I don't see what this has to do with the topic at hand. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #37

aka, "Look over here, don't look over there!!!!" is my guess. n/t X_Digger Apr 2012 #39

I believe that would be the most generous interpretation. Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #56

There are lots of things you don't see. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #43

Please elaborate. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #53

You're kidding right? Please elaborate? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #62

I was talking about the whole mirror and picture thing. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #91

Let me get this straight Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #111

No. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #116

His bigotry is showing again. rl6214 Apr 2012 #68

That is so cool. Glassunion Apr 2012 #46

I know and his fashion sense is perfect. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #47

This is a rather staged photo. Glassunion Apr 2012 #48

Please tell me where I can get shorts like that n/t sarisataka Apr 2012 #59

I take it the pic is from gejohnston Apr 2012 #70

I've no idea where it's from Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #76

the architecture is wrong gejohnston Apr 2012 #80

Them roofs looks to be fer sheddin' snow. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #89

You are right!! one-eyed fat man Apr 2012 #72

Meh. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #86

Another tragedy made your day. Congratulations. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #2

Seeing good triumph over evil usually does make my day. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #16

"Evil"? A 16 year-old trying to hold up a store for $20-$100 is your sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #19

It certainly isn't my definition of "good". Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #20

No wonder we can't discuss guns, safety, crime, nor other subjects. We sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #27

LOL. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #34

I'm sorry that you live your life without compassion and in constant fear. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #42

I have plenty of compassion and I am not in constant fear. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #52

Clearly there is a difference between breaking a jaywalking law and sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #95

Interesting spin. X_Digger Apr 2012 #98

I'm glad you agree. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #99

I hope we will replace deadly 'tools' as well. However, I will continue sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #100

I respect your choice. I hope you will respect the choice of others who think differently. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #103

Good grief - how in hell did you come up with those assumptions?! Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #58

If you think you have to have a gun with you at all times to sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #94

Unfounded accusation. Nice dodge. PavePusher Apr 2012 #113

Can you not see reply 94? sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #114

I see it. PavePusher Apr 2012 #119

If the person holding the gun/knife/bat didn't make you think that you actually expected.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #41

Maybe they would kill me and maybe they wouldn't. If their aim was solely to sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #45

If you had a 10-shot revolver.... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #50

Are you willing to risk being the one in ten? X_Digger Apr 2012 #55

I already answered that question. Yes, I'm willing to take that risk. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #93

And I'm not. X_Digger Apr 2012 #97

and sometimes sarisataka Apr 2012 #60

Because they don't know how to open the register WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #82

Armed robberies are a crapshoot! one-eyed fat man Apr 2012 #130

Can the victim trust a person who has threatened to kill them, and is holding a weapon ready AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #133

16 year olds can't be cold blooded killers? hack89 Apr 2012 #22

Yes. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #25

That is your choice to make. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #35

Thanks. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #44

No problem. It's all I expect from anyone. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #54

No ileus Apr 2012 #30

You haven't seen the half of it. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #38

Your disingenuity is showing pipoman Apr 2012 #63

Thought he was 16. OK not a child, a youth. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #65

Yeah, pipoman Apr 2012 #69

Looks like they did during the 90's Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #77

That's a pretty vile insinuation to make about the military. PavePusher Apr 2012 #115

Excuse me, but what is vile and what am I insinuating? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #121

something in common gejohnston Apr 2012 #122

Absolutely. It was a total fiasco. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #128

This: PavePusher Apr 2012 #127

Oh, please! "Indulge a desire to kill people"? You need to reword. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #129

That kid could have KILLED SOMEONE! slackmaster Apr 2012 #85

Wow. But he didn't kill anybody. The clerk did. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #96

His death was an unfortunate but justifiable result of HIS BAD CHOICE to point a gun at the clerk slackmaster Apr 2012 #104

Threating violent force against a fellow human being for such small sums sure as hell is. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #90

Evil. Straw Man Apr 2012 #101

As I stated up-thread, you and I don't agree on even basic definitions. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #102

Your problem is that you think "things" can be good/evil. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #105

The dictionary doesn't even agree with you. Evil as an adjective... sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #106

Thank you for proving me correct. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #123

Read the entire definition. Things most certainly can and are 'morally reprehensible'. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #124

I read the whole thing. You are still confused. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #125

I find guns and violence morally reprehensible. And good-bye. sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #126

In this case, a 16-year-old CHOSE to pick up an "evil" tool and use it for an unlawful purpose slackmaster Apr 2012 #107

IMHO, it's still in the gun. My belief system says people cannot be 'evil' nor sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author one-eyed fat man Apr 2012 #131

You imply that force in defense is morally equivalent to force used in offensive crime. PavePusher Apr 2012 #117

ROFL. My agenda? I'm a pacifist! sinkingfeeling Apr 2012 #120

A human threatening the life of another human is evil to me, yes. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #132

Must be nice living in your monochromatic world. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #26

Sometimes it just doesn't take much effort to see things as they are. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #32

"you seem to have a serious problem with moral relativism clouding your judgement. " Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #40

You keep rooting for the bad guy, mkay? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #51

I'll give you some credit for being honest about yourself. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #64

No one is saying it wasn't a tragic situation. I am merely celebrating the outcome. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #92

A grain of humility will get you a grain of recognition in return. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #110

You too. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #118

If that's your attitude, I'm very, very happy you're not a cop Union Scribe Apr 2012 #83

Yeah me too, though I was a damned good one. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #109

Your choice of (news?) source is rather unreliable davidthegnome Apr 2012 #3

Unreliable by what standard? ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author davidthegnome Apr 2012 #21

I get most of my news via reddit. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #14

Was is not just a week ago safeinOhio Apr 2012 #6

Yup. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #15

Thank you for the clarification. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #18

sociopaths are more comfy with their own kind. Bubbye. WingDinger Apr 2012 #8

So....are you telling us you are a sociopath and are going to join your own kind? eqfan592 Apr 2012 #61

It's immaterial whether or not he fired a shot at her tularetom Apr 2012 #12

When the smoke settles... Xela Apr 2012 #23

Holy Fuck! Unbelievable!!! Glassunion Apr 2012 #24

Life is cheaper in Fla. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #28

The pay is also lower. Glassunion Apr 2012 #29

On an island. But not one like Manhattan. No bridges. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #31

Hopefully the island Glassunion Apr 2012 #36

Hey, good job! That's even better than most gated communities! Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #71

Way, way better! Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #78

Tragic waste of a young life slackmaster Apr 2012 #84