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In reply to the discussion: Another Florida CCW permit holder stands their ground, kills assailant. [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)99. I'm glad you agree.
Clearly there is a difference between breaking a jaywalking law and committing homicide.
I'm glad you agree that there is a difference. Clearly it is inaccurate to call people who commit serious crimes simply "lawbreakers".
And there is just as much difference between committing a hold-up and being evil.
I don't really want to delve into semantic variations of "good vs. evil".
You can call it "good vs. not-quite-angels" if that makes you more comfortable.
The bottom line is, a dangerous person was stopped by an innocent person. And that is a good thing.
I simply don't see shooting a 16 yr.old dead as proper 'punishment'. We, as a society, don't think armed robbery requires a death sentence.
Self-defense is not punishment. It's self-defense. If the armed robber had been caught by the police, disarmed, and rendered harmless, and tried in a court of law, he would not receive the death penalty.
But today, the most effective, affordable, easy-to-use self-defense tool is the firearm, and it is a deadly weapon. If we are going to allow people to defend themselves with such tools (and we should), then death is a likely possibility. It's not a punishment, it's a consequence of logical self-defense.
Maybe someday they will invent a good non-lethal substitute for firearms, and then this entire issue will melt away as we will simply make it illegal to use deadly force for self-defense ever.
I'm glad you agree that there is a difference. Clearly it is inaccurate to call people who commit serious crimes simply "lawbreakers".
And there is just as much difference between committing a hold-up and being evil.
I don't really want to delve into semantic variations of "good vs. evil".
You can call it "good vs. not-quite-angels" if that makes you more comfortable.
The bottom line is, a dangerous person was stopped by an innocent person. And that is a good thing.
I simply don't see shooting a 16 yr.old dead as proper 'punishment'. We, as a society, don't think armed robbery requires a death sentence.
Self-defense is not punishment. It's self-defense. If the armed robber had been caught by the police, disarmed, and rendered harmless, and tried in a court of law, he would not receive the death penalty.
But today, the most effective, affordable, easy-to-use self-defense tool is the firearm, and it is a deadly weapon. If we are going to allow people to defend themselves with such tools (and we should), then death is a likely possibility. It's not a punishment, it's a consequence of logical self-defense.
Maybe someday they will invent a good non-lethal substitute for firearms, and then this entire issue will melt away as we will simply make it illegal to use deadly force for self-defense ever.
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Another Florida CCW permit holder stands their ground, kills assailant. [View all]
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
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"Good for the store owner!" Maybe, except that a major can of worms has now been opened.
teddy51
Apr 2012
#1
It may have been "legally justified", but morally justified to kill a 16 yo WIthOUT REGRET?
hlthe2b
Apr 2012
#10
"I know the police does not teach non-lethal wounding shots in most jurisdictions anymore..."
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#17
I'm sorry that you live your life without compassion and in constant fear.
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2012
#42
I hope we will replace deadly 'tools' as well. However, I will continue
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2012
#100
I respect your choice. I hope you will respect the choice of others who think differently.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#103
If the person holding the gun/knife/bat didn't make you think that you actually expected..
X_Digger
Apr 2012
#41
Maybe they would kill me and maybe they wouldn't. If their aim was solely to
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2012
#45
Can the victim trust a person who has threatened to kill them, and is holding a weapon ready
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2012
#133
His death was an unfortunate but justifiable result of HIS BAD CHOICE to point a gun at the clerk
slackmaster
Apr 2012
#104
Threating violent force against a fellow human being for such small sums sure as hell is.
Callisto32
Apr 2012
#90
As I stated up-thread, you and I don't agree on even basic definitions.
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2012
#102
Read the entire definition. Things most certainly can and are 'morally reprehensible'.
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2012
#124
In this case, a 16-year-old CHOSE to pick up an "evil" tool and use it for an unlawful purpose
slackmaster
Apr 2012
#107
IMHO, it's still in the gun. My belief system says people cannot be 'evil' nor
sinkingfeeling
Apr 2012
#108
You imply that force in defense is morally equivalent to force used in offensive crime.
PavePusher
Apr 2012
#117
"you seem to have a serious problem with moral relativism clouding your judgement. "
Starboard Tack
Apr 2012
#40
No one is saying it wasn't a tragic situation. I am merely celebrating the outcome.
Atypical Liberal
Apr 2012
#92
So....are you telling us you are a sociopath and are going to join your own kind?
eqfan592
Apr 2012
#61