Gun Control & RKBA
In reply to the discussion: Ohio shooting of girl in Amish buggy a homicide [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)the collective rights theory is losing it's steam and Tribe was one of the big believers in it. The SCOTUS never gave the collective theory much thought. The lower courts decided individual. The lower court before the 1939 Miller case, did rule the NFA violated 2A. The SCOTUS decided nothing either way. Miller was dead and his council was not there to give arguments or file a brief.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/us/06firearms.html?pagewanted=all
It didn't. Homicide or murder? That was a homicide, but it was not murder.
It was a small town in the late 1960s.
Gun control doesn't have a fucking thing to do with the other issues. They don't care about guns anymore than they care about abortion. The Democratic party don't give a shit until 1965. JFK was a member of the NRA. The governor of Montana is as progressive as it gets, working on single payer for the state etc. He is also pro gun. Rudy Giuliani agrees with you, but he wants to make the Sullivan Law nation wide, until he decided to run for national office, because that does not play outside of New York. It is not as simply right/left as you think.
It has nothing to do with being afraid of the Republicans. The vast majority of people, that huge middle that makes elections, are with us on everything else. This they are not. That is the reality.
This is the wedge issue the Dems screw themselves royally. It is not really about guns per se. It is connected to much larger issue that has been screwing the party since about that same time. There is a perception that liberals in general don't give a rat's ass about rural, working class people. Or what Keith O. and Bill Mauer disdainfully calls the unwashed. You can't win when out of the one side of your mouth you say "we know what's in your best interest and now we care abut unions" then out of the other side of their mouths say "look at those redneck trailer trash gun toting pieces of shit." That is why the NRA made your cartoonists rich, it is a regular part of NRA propaganda. There is a reason why I call some progressive sites free republic left, because there is no fucking difference. The only difference is who the other is. Read the comments sections in Crooks and Liars whenever the subject comes up. Would you trust them? So mister blue collar union member trailer trash votes Republican, because at least the Kochs have been smart enough to keep their disdain to themselves. Same with evangelicals. Tucker Carlson admitted the GOP money bags looks down on evangelicals, but fill them full of shit about abortion to vote for them. That was over ten years ago and down the memory hole outside of an obscure youtube video. We are open about our bigotry. We talk about embracing diversity, but not that diversity and they are smart enough to see the hypocrisy in it.
Afraid of Republicans? No.
It is a philosophical thing, it is also a cultural thing. I am proud of being a rural hick that grew up in Wyoming, including the gun culture. I am proud of being left wing libertarian that votes Democratic and agrees with most things Democratic. I am also proud to work to maintain all of the ideals of the enlightenment, including gun rights. Two countries were born of the enlightenment, both countries have the right to own guns, and both have gun cultures. Tell that to the next teabagger that bitches about France. No, I think the French gun laws are more complicated than they have to be. I like the Czech model better.
Why is theocracy bad everywhere but Tibet? I get the whole thing with the Chinese occupation and annexation, but is restoring a theocracy really freeing them?