Gun Control & RKBA

Simo 1939_1940

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11. Interesting.............

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:19 AM

Dec 2011

.........but he still thinks Mississippi's newest policy could be a "bad law."

"I just don't like the idea of people having firearms in a classroom," he says.

............how otherwise thoughtful people overlook ridiculous language like this when it comes to the gun restriction issue.

Since the fall semester of 2006, state law has allowed licensed individuals to carry concealed handguns on the campuses of the nine degree-offering public colleges (20 campuses) and one public technical college (10 campuses) in Utah. Concealed carry has been allowed at Colorado State University (Fort Collins, CO) since 2003 and at Blue Ridge Community College (Weyers Cave, VA) since 1995. After allowing concealed carry on campus for a combined total of one hundred semesters, none of these twelve schools has seen a single resulting incident of gun violence (including threats and suicides), a single gun accident, or a single gun theft. Likewise, none of the forty ‘right-to-carry’ states has seen a resulting increase in gun violence since legalizing concealed carry, despite the fact that licensed citizens in those states regularly carry concealed handguns in places like office buildings, movie theaters, grocery stores, shopping malls, restaurants, churches, banks, etc. Numerous studies*, including studies by University of Maryland senior research scientist John Lott, University of Georgia professor David Mustard, engineering statistician William Sturdevant, and various state agencies, show that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

"Crime, Deterrence, and Right-to-Carry Concealed Handguns,” John Lott and David Mustard, Journal of Legal Studies (v.26, no.1, pages 1-68, January 1997);

“An Analysis of the Arrest Rate of Texas Concealed Handgun License Holders as Compared to the Arrest Rate of the Entire Texas Population,” William E. Sturdevant, September 1, 2000; Florida Department of Justice statistics, 1998; Florida Department of State,

“Concealed Weapons/Firearms License Statistical Report,” 1998; Texas Department of Public Safety and the U.S. Census Bureau, reported in San Antonio Express-News, September 2000; Texas Department of Corrections data, 1996-2000, compiled by the Texas State Rifle Association

From the Students for Concealed Carry website.

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MISSISSIPPI: Concealed Carry on college, in bars, and in courthouse is LEGAL. [View all] GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 OP

Good. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #1

Wonder how long.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #2

There are some 70 colleges that allowed it without a problem before now. oneshooter Dec 2011 #3

I know that... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #4

I notice not everyone is supportive Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #5

Stop the distortions. PavePusher Dec 2011 #6

So, are you saying it's OK to ask if they think there is potential danger Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #7

And they don't need to ask. PavePusher Dec 2011 #10

A physicians first responsibility... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #32

Why shouldn't the question be allowed? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #40

I'm pretty sure this has been answered... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #41

Really? Doesn't sound very professional. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #45

No argument. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #47

Damn. We agree again. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #55

I'm happy to see... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #58

I have no problem with rednecks Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #107

Have a great week... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #110

Hey, you too and let's hope for a better 2012 Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #112

Did you actually read post #10? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #59

Yes Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #63

Interesting............. Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #11

And the earth hasn't melted yet from global warming. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #15

Yes - it is quite backward of you to disregard the fact that there have been **ZERO** Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #101

How do you measure negative effects? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #106

"How do you measure negative effects?" Simo 1939_1940 Dec 2011 #113

I dont care if he's supportive or not We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #12

Right we certainly don't want the chief of police to speak his mind Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #13

He's more than welcome to speak his mind all he wants.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #14

Nonsense. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #16

No, not nonsense. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #18

I would never defend carrying guns in classrooms, unless they were gun classes. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #31

You are free to defend what you wish We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #34

As a group, police chiefs have a poor record on guns. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #26

Of course, what would they know about guns and crime? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #29

You seem to be confusing the chiefs with the patrolmen. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #33

Not at all. What makes you say that? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #43

The police chief We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #46

everywhere I have been gejohnston Dec 2011 #49

I'm not a fan of publicly elected law enforcement in general Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #51

town police chief is not the sheriff. gejohnston Dec 2011 #53

Yes I no the difference Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #54

Going by the evidence that has been posted on D.U. over the years.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #60

Definitely has in the past Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #62

Jody Weiss, ring a bell? one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #92

unintentional duplicate nt one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #93

Don't know where you live.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #35

It's not all about stopping crime. Cops can only do so much Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #38

They are still not fast enough to do a damn thing except take a report and call the meat wagon. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #39

And what happens when the professionals (1)aren't there, or are (2)incompetent? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #42

"I just don't like...." krispos42 Dec 2011 #64

Regulating speech in the conduct of a licensed profession DissedByBush Dec 2011 #66

Really? Licensed professionals have limited 1A rights? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #69

Yes and no We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #70

Can a lawyer tell a presiding judge to go screw himself? DissedByBush Dec 2011 #72

Sure he can We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #73

So what does the 2nd amendment take a back seat to? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #79

About the same things other rights do We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #80

Why do you think someone is obligated to provide security? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #85

If you are a prison guard DissedByBush Dec 2011 #82

Thank you. Excellent. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #84

I can certainly understand your house gejohnston Dec 2011 #87

LOL Yep, boats and guns don't go well together Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #88

What's wrong with legally carried firearms on planes? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #89

Something to do with pressurized cabins I think. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #90

You watch to many stupid movies one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #94

Phew! Thank God and airplane designers for that. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #97

Well, I have 21+ years of military aviation maintenance experience.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #100

Good to know. Let's tell th TSA Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #102

Selling fear. It's what government seems to do best. We need to change that. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #104

Damn right. But it's not just governments who sell fear. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #105

The TSA is theater one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #111

About those doctors in FL, I'm more concerned about the patients who are denied medical services... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #98

I agree. Now doctors might be afraid to ask a legitimate question. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #99

I think that law has been or will be thrown out. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #114

Hooray for freedom rl6214 Dec 2011 #8

Sounds reasonable to me. I favor shall-issue CCW with a comprehensive training petronius Dec 2011 #9

You think bars are good places for guns? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #17

If the person carrying is not drinking.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #19

If and fail in the same sentence? Oh dear Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #27

Ironic you would quote Kipling at me..... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #36

No different than other places. OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #20

I guess there are bars and then there are bars. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #24

The CCW laws I've seen DissedByBush Dec 2011 #67

As others have said, I would bar drinking (perhaps just intoxication) while carrying, petronius Dec 2011 #21

Sounds good, at least in theory. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #22

Can you point to anywhere it's been a statistically significant problem? PavePusher Dec 2011 #23

Ah, yes "statistically significant". Where have I seen that before? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #25

Some people do not understand statistics. ManiacJoe Dec 2011 #28

So, I guess there isn't a problem. Good to know. n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #61

The phrase "Statistical Significance" actually has a defined meaning... OneTenthofOnePercent Dec 2011 #65

Dead poets are statistically significant Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #68

Do a little research here, you'll find somewhat more than "evil eye preventative" use. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #74

The bottom line is this ST We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #75

"Carrying a firearm may not help, but it does not harm anyone." Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #77

That's right - unless it is MIS-used. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #81

You make some interesting points Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #86

I guess it would depend what kind of crime Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #91

Big Mistake There ellisonz Dec 2011 #95

Recently I asked 19 random senior citizens about that. GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #103

Better than the opposite mix though, right? petronius Dec 2011 #50

Hard to imagine either, actually. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #52

Well, like I've said, I have no difficulty imagining a sober CCWer sitting in a bar petronius Dec 2011 #56

I wouldn't have a problem either Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #57

Bars = any restaruant that serves alcohol. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #30

I like the Texas remedy for that. If a establishment makes 51% or more oneshooter Dec 2011 #37

Makes sense to me. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #44

We kinda thought it made sense too... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #48

Why are you so down on Texas? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #78

Oh great, grab your guns and confederate flags and have a party. Hoyt Dec 2011 #71

*Your* state, Georgia, has a similar law. I take it you don't eat out? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #76

I eat out. Like laughing at guys with confederate flags on their cars and guns in their pockets. Hoyt Dec 2011 #83

So what generally happens when you call the cops on them, or try to detain them? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #96

If the guns are in pockets, how do you know? Are you giving everyone pat-downs? n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #108

He's laughing nervously from his gun paranoia. Pacafishmate Dec 2011 #109