Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts) Tue Apr 10, 2012, 06:58 PM Apr 2012

Homeowner shoots, kills 14 yr old home invader. [View all]

http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpps/news/Homeowner-Kills-Burglar-in-Dallas-040912_19064105

DALLAS - A homeowner shot and killed a burglary suspect Monday morning in the southeast Dallas neighborhood of Pleasant Grove and two more suspects were in custody.

The shooting happened at about 11 a.m. in the 7300 block of Vallejo Drive, near Jim Miller and Bruton roads.

According to police, three youngsters rang the doorbell and then ran to the back of the home, prompting the homeowner to call 911.

The trio then allegedly kicked in the back door and entered the home, where the unidentified resident opened fire, killing 14-year-old Luis Avila

There is a video at the link with more information.

Another site with a video: http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Teens-Death-Prompting-Discussions-Between-Kids-Parents-146840575.html

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Inside, the homeowner, Lee Cobbler, reportedly warned the teens to leave the home and that he was armed.
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I heard about this at work. Two co-workers (both black, one male, one female) began talking about it. Both supported the homeowner saying that if anybody kicked their door in they would shoot. They wouldn't have time to ask to see his ID and check his age.

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Homeowner shoots, kills 14 yr old home invader. [View all] GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 OP

At that point with 3 of them invading my home I'd shoot, too, and I'm a bleedingheartliberal. blm Apr 2012 #1

I'm with you, with three of them there going to get shot. n/t teddy51 Apr 2012 #2

I probably would too if armed, but I surely would not be celebrating... hlthe2b Apr 2012 #3

no celebration here, either...it would be disbelief and sorrow mixed with blm Apr 2012 #4

I agree gejohnston Apr 2012 #5

They would hear one word... sarisataka Apr 2012 #10

Do you understand how fast a heartbeat is? ellisonz Apr 2012 #11

In a life and death situation sarisataka Apr 2012 #40

"It is both a fraction of a second and several minutes." ellisonz Apr 2012 #42

I take it sarisataka Apr 2012 #44

And you would be wrong... ellisonz Apr 2012 #45

I'm not sarisataka Apr 2012 #49

May I suggest that you read this month's Scientific American? GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #80

How do we know it wasn't the "lizard brain" in the first place? ellisonz Apr 2012 #91

Read the article. Educate yourself about the real world. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #94

Oh I will... ellisonz Apr 2012 #95

That is the issue but not the article. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #96

I would need a subscription to read the full article... ellisonz Apr 2012 #98

The article goes into all of that. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #99

There is a book on the precise topic. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #103

I'm sure there is... ellisonz Apr 2012 #107

Don't use the word "precise" unless you wrote that book! DocMac Apr 2012 #118

Some of the answers sarisataka Apr 2012 #104

"a tool to look for warning signs of those pre-dispossessed to become criminals" ellisonz Apr 2012 #111

You missed the point sarisataka Apr 2012 #113

Hey you said it... ellisonz Apr 2012 #140

they are just as much of a criminal gejohnston Apr 2012 #142

So why do we invest so much sarisataka Apr 2012 #151

The problem is your model of criminality... ellisonz Apr 2012 #152

Not really changing sarisataka Apr 2012 #155

How do you objectively determine someone is psychotic without prior evidence of instability? n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #158

not possible sarisataka Apr 2012 #160

So you ignore the empirical evidence because it doesn't comport shit people made up? Callisto32 Apr 2012 #121

I don't think you understand what empircal evidence is conceptually. ellisonz Apr 2012 #139

So if I follow you correctly... sarisataka Apr 2012 #153

Depends on the specific context... ellisonz Apr 2012 #156

Eureka! sarisataka Apr 2012 #162

Indeed, and when someone makes the deliberate decision to break into someone's domicile, Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #165

Breaking into an occupied dwelling sylvi Apr 2012 #76

If you shoot them before they can respond or leave... ellisonz Apr 2012 #78

You're the one who brought up how long it takes to comprehend a word sylvi Apr 2012 #136

I'm sorry, but I'd like to see you test your own theory on yourself in this matter. n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #138

That could be smack out of a Monty Python movie. Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #166

You do understand he said "heartbeats"? rl6214 Apr 2012 #168

Are you saying that the 14 yr. old fired a shot? nt DocMac Apr 2012 #64

No sarisataka Apr 2012 #66

His classmates fired shots? nt DocMac Apr 2012 #67

The poster switched subjects in the middle of the post. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #81

Yes, it's sad. DocMac Apr 2012 #84

Probably staring with sick fascination at the body on the floor. krispos42 Apr 2012 #135

Likewise. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2012 #145

I would probably defend my homefront by giving plenty of warning. But I'd be sure damn mad if I southernyankeebelle Apr 2012 #6

Who commits crimes like this at 11am? DocMac Apr 2012 #7

Prime time for burglary here is about 10:30 AM Warpy Apr 2012 #8

Really? DocMac Apr 2012 #18

Please study up on shooting in self-defense. PavePusher Apr 2012 #54

Yes, because a shot to the chest is a minor wound. DocMac Apr 2012 #62

Please read all my comments to you, look up the recommended reference... PavePusher Apr 2012 #65

And you are what? A police officer? A lawyer? DocMac Apr 2012 #97

I suggest that you educate yourself on current laws and training. PavePusher Apr 2012 #110

Do you think that this person DocMac Apr 2012 #114

Both of those will quite handily shoot through a common house door.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #126

You don't shoot to "wound" the intruder, you shoot to stop them rl6214 Apr 2012 #171

Not only that, but they love to steal guns Warpy Apr 2012 #88

Actually, I chased the last little bastards who tried it here. Warpy Apr 2012 #87

With poor eyesight, DocMac Apr 2012 #90

Nothing makes me the arbiter... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #9

Was the home owner fired on? DocMac Apr 2012 #13

There are very few people... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #27

A leg wound can be more lethal than a shot to center body mass... spin Apr 2012 #30

The phrase you are missing is "disparity of force". PavePusher Apr 2012 #55

DocMac, the shooting as described would be a lawful use of Castle Doctrine even in California slackmaster Apr 2012 #133

You should know that I don't care! DocMac Apr 2012 #215

Neither you nor the homeowner had any knowledge that the kid just wanted his stuff slackmaster Apr 2012 #218

Shooting somebody in the leg is just stupid. Travis_0004 Apr 2012 #12

Oh, please!! DocMac Apr 2012 #15

They probably were not going to kill anybody Travis_0004 Apr 2012 #19

My point is that a warning shot would have DocMac Apr 2012 #22

Warning shots are illegal in most jurisdictions. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #37

Not when you're in your house. DocMac Apr 2012 #116

While I would not necessarily hold up Texas as a shining example, ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #146

Sometimes there may not be time for warning shots Travis_0004 Apr 2012 #52

Well, they are kids and you're not. DocMac Apr 2012 #92

The bullets have to go somewhere. Angleae Apr 2012 #85

When a group kicks in the door, you DON'T KNOW what they intend. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #34

you are soooo right! If it isn't on Huffpo then it didn't happen! oneshooter Apr 2012 #147

I've heard more than once Speck Tater Apr 2012 #17

That officers advice is what will land you in jail. PavePusher Apr 2012 #57

It's all academic. I don't have a gun, and never will have a gun. Ever. nt Speck Tater Apr 2012 #102

Not purely academic, it's a very practical subject worthy of some study. PavePusher Apr 2012 #112

I bet that's total bull crap. I can't think of even one story chrisa Apr 2012 #213

You may be right. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #214

Shooting to wound will get you convicted Lurks Often Apr 2012 #20

I disagree. DocMac Apr 2012 #25

Really? Angus86 Apr 2012 #29

Maybe you are comfortable in your skin? DocMac Apr 2012 #33

You can do whatever you want, of course Angus86 Apr 2012 #39

I'll be just fine. DocMac Apr 2012 #82

Please do some research on the subject. PavePusher Apr 2012 #58

So, why the name? Is that a Muslim name? DocMac Apr 2012 #79

He is one of the most respected teachers of armed self-defense. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #83

You forgot to add sarisataka Apr 2012 #100

True. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #101

"Lethal Force Institute" ellisonz Apr 2012 #141

Truth in advertising. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #143

Lots of agenda there. Just not yours. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #144

So why isn't it the "Self-Defense Institute" ellisonz Apr 2012 #149

My guess is that it is because they specialize in lethal self defense. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #154

So it's mostly about guns? n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #157

He is the summary of course LFI 1 sarisataka Apr 2012 #164

I have never met... sarisataka Apr 2012 #163

That would seem to be a good description. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #169

U.S. Marine Corps. Same idea. Air Marshal8 Apr 2012 #167

This slipped by me before.... sarisataka Apr 2012 #131

Oh FFS... PavePusher Apr 2012 #134

"is that a muslim name? Is this your point?" rl6214 Apr 2012 #172

It is an Arabic name gejohnston Apr 2012 #173

Femoral atery, tibial artery, brachial artery. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #124

You are free to disagree Lurks Often Apr 2012 #130

Why not warning shots? sarisataka Apr 2012 #24

You have that Eagle , Globe and anchor. DocMac Apr 2012 #26

The homeowner DID tell them he was armed. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #31

I'll let a court decide that! nt DocMac Apr 2012 #35

You know the laws in Texas! DocMac Apr 2012 #75

My life would not be in danger is I am inside and they are outside. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #86

Hey. The homeowners did what they had to. DocMac Apr 2012 #119

If you are 103% sure the doorframe will stop that round... sarisataka Apr 2012 #43

Well, i'm not sure how this scenario DocMac Apr 2012 #46

Fair enough sarisataka Apr 2012 #50

I see that. DocMac Apr 2012 #77

If three teens were able to kick in the door, any handgun, rifle or shotgun would blow right through PavePusher Apr 2012 #127

"very young kids" can be quite lethal to adults, especially at three-on-one odds. PavePusher Apr 2012 #60

Adults can be lethal to kids as well. DocMac Apr 2012 #70

You certainly shouldn't... PavePusher Apr 2012 #109

"But I would have shot the first one through the door." PavePusher Apr 2012 #61

Did the article say it was a .308 or a shotgun? DocMac Apr 2012 #68

article didn't say either one gejohnston Apr 2012 #71

Then why are people assuming that the round will go next door? DocMac Apr 2012 #72

ask them gejohnston Apr 2012 #73

See Post # 126. PavePusher Apr 2012 #129

I know. But it's important. nt DocMac Apr 2012 #117

And you've now proven an ignorance of the ballistical properties of most firearms. PavePusher Apr 2012 #106

Why? Did the article give you an exclusive? DocMac Apr 2012 #115

AAAAAhahahahahahahah, I can't win so I'm going to ignore you, lalalalalalalalalalala rl6214 Apr 2012 #174

Oh my God. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #93

11am is a great time to do this type of crime ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #36

Girl scouts sell cookies during those hours too. DocMac Apr 2012 #120

Girl Scouts do not kick in doors, but you knew that already. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #148

No. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #123

That's the way it goes somedays. ileus Apr 2012 #14

I don't like guns. I don't have a gun. I've posted here often with my anti-gun position... But... Speck Tater Apr 2012 #16

Why not fire a round into the back door while DocMac Apr 2012 #21

Why not? Angus86 Apr 2012 #41

How were your ever a Marine? Clames Apr 2012 #47

I served in the Marine Corp. DocMac Apr 2012 #51

No...it isn't bullshit. Clames Apr 2012 #53

I have not forgotten my training. DocMac Apr 2012 #59

It may be that is how you were trained... 30+ years ago. PavePusher Apr 2012 #63

Don't like the truth... Clames Apr 2012 #69

I have no problem with the ignore. DocMac Apr 2012 #74

I was a Marine as well, and "shooting to wound" was never part of my training... Marengo Apr 2012 #216

if the army isn't gejohnston Apr 2012 #56

Where is that bullet going to land? hack89 Apr 2012 #122

He obviously... Clames Apr 2012 #125

Maybe all I would need would be a track and field starter's pistol Speck Tater Apr 2012 #48

NEVER use a gun to bluff with. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #89

You're probably right. Speck Tater Apr 2012 #105

Or you could, as a poster once suggested, use your "natural fighting ability" oneshooter Apr 2012 #150

Ha! Speck Tater Apr 2012 #159

"Natual fighting ability" is a kind of inside joke. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #170

"Why not fire a round into the back door while they are trying to get in?" rl6214 Apr 2012 #175

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They brought themselves to do this SATIRical Apr 2012 #137

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So your contention is that SATIRical Apr 2012 #176

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Why choose you? SATIRical Apr 2012 #178

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You know there is an ignore function, right? SATIRical Apr 2012 #184

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mites grow on chicken's butts. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #190

There you go. SATIRical Apr 2012 #191

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You just can't control yourself can you? SATIRical Apr 2012 #193

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I wouldn't delight SATIRical Apr 2012 #198

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Take a deep breath SATIRical Apr 2012 #207

you have said freeperish shit. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #209

So, if I understand this right SATIRical Apr 2012 #210

are you a registered Democrat? Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #211

Sorry, I don't play the SATIRical Apr 2012 #212

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Maggots are not sexually mature SATIRical Apr 2012 #199

duh. Tuesday Afternoon Apr 2012 #201

This is being reported by My Fox in Texas. I wonder how they reported Travon Martin's murder. nt Walk away Apr 2012 #28

Also being reported by NBC, CBS, CNN, etc. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #32

To little information to make a judgement on this case. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #38

Information? We don't need no stinking information! Speck Tater Apr 2012 #108

My take on this is simple AH1Apache Apr 2012 #128

Life of crime cut short by a gunner baser zimmerman wannabe. ileus Apr 2012 #217

Tragic waste of a young life slackmaster Apr 2012 #132

"can get you shot in ANY state" - YUP! Tejas Apr 2012 #208