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In reply to the discussion: Trayvon in Tulsa? [View all]

Callisto32

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14. Imagine a criminal gang DID rule the day...
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:36 AM
Apr 2012

Imagine, they would own everything (the land, the water, the fish in the water, the deer on the land), and if you didn't pay your tibute, they would take "your" land/house/business. If you do pay, they will "protect" you, but in reality, this mostly just means they'll leave you alone (until its time to pay or get your shit stolen/yourself put in a cage, that is) and send someone out to make a record of what happened AFTER the trouble is already over.

Imagine that the gang would put into place a lot of useless, onerous, vague, nigh indecipherable rules, so many rules that no human being could ever even READ them, let alone comprehend them. They would claim that these rules are NECESSARY, after all, without them it would be CHAOS or ANARCHY or...something, (don't forget, not so long ago "Oh my, we can't have people of different religions in the same geographic location, it would be CHAOS!" was a considered a legitimate viewpoint.

Imagine that these rules would be not only accepted, but often clamored for by the ruled, because the vast majority of the subjects living in the territory of this gang would have to spend a set number of years in an institution where parents and the vital role they play in the growth and development of their children are replaced by agents of the gang, and every day all the kids get up and they swear fealty to the gang's colors, and they learn crazy things. Crazy things like the idea that taking the money that people worked to earn is not theft, but not allowing someone to take the things they did not work for is theft.

Imagine there is a huge list of things that the gang says you can't have/use, for myriad reasons. Sure, some of those reasons have been empirically proven to be bullshit (that chemical has no medical use, right, I guess none of the gang members have glaucoma), but that doesn't stop them, because being in the gang means never having to admit you were wrong, since truth and right are decided by what a certain contingent of the gang have decided to decree such. Imagine that these rules are often written and decreed by people that have absolutely no idea about the reality of the topic, but that won't stop them.

Imagine......oh wait....nevermind.

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Trayvon in Tulsa? [View all] DanTex Apr 2012 OP
Most of us rely on the police for "protection"? Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #1
Yes, most people rely on the police for protection. DanTex Apr 2012 #4
I think both are wrong gejohnston Apr 2012 #7
Imagine a criminal gang DID rule the day... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #14
So you think the US government is like a criminal gang? DanTex Apr 2012 #19
Well, we could just opt for a POLICE STATE where only the police can legally possess guns... LAGC Apr 2012 #15
The state already has a monopoly on violence. DanTex Apr 2012 #18
Do they now? LAGC Apr 2012 #36
"I imagine that would make the streets quite a bit safer, but at what cost?" Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #24
the UK also gejohnston Apr 2012 #28
Exactly! Proves my point Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #29
rules my ass gejohnston Apr 2012 #32
Why did UK have even less crime, including violent crime, before any gun laws? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #34
gangsters are sociopaths gejohnston Apr 2012 #38
Big difference being access and rules of the game. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #39
partly correct gejohnston Apr 2012 #40
yeah, except that just isn't true iverglas Apr 2012 #43
if you want to go there then gejohnston Apr 2012 #44
I didn't go there iverglas Apr 2012 #45
I've also noticed that people in Europe are a lot shorter than Americans... DanTex Apr 2012 #46
So you are saying it is the deterrant of getting caught? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #25
You really think so little of your neighbors? Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #37
While I am certain... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #2
I doubt anyone envisions that a sidearm will protect one.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #3
Not so, 96% of population walk around in public everyday without need for a gun. They do fine. Hoyt Apr 2012 #5
96% of the population drive in cars without having car accidents, too. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #26
Speaking of statistics... DanTex Apr 2012 #6
Cite for your "evidence-based argument", please. Thanks. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #8
Again: do you have an evidence-based argument that carrying a gun makes you safer? DanTex Apr 2012 #9
Hemenway? Please. beevul Apr 2012 #10
You're missing the point. DanTex Apr 2012 #11
Question... sarisataka Apr 2012 #12
This discussion started with me asking a very specific question. DanTex Apr 2012 #16
on the other hand gejohnston Apr 2012 #21
A well stated reply sarisataka Apr 2012 #23
Thanks! Hey, look everyone! Civil discourse in the gungeon! DanTex Apr 2012 #30
By people with opposing views sarisataka Apr 2012 #31
No, i'm really not. beevul Apr 2012 #13
OK, I'll put you down for "no evidence". DanTex Apr 2012 #17
You just don't know when to quit. beevul Apr 2012 #20
Still no evidence. DanTex Apr 2012 #22
I'm willing to risk it. No insurance-policy is cost-free. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #27
LOL. beevul Apr 2012 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #35
Here you go. PavePusher Apr 2012 #41
Umm... not quite. DanTex Apr 2012 #42
I fail to see how it encourages vigilantism gejohnston Apr 2012 #47
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