Gun Control & RKBA

DanTex

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18. The state already has a monopoly on violence.

Fri Apr 13, 2012, 09:26 AM

Apr 2012

Whether civilians are allowed to own guns doesn't change the fact that the police has overwhelming power. Gun laws have nothing to do with whether the police abuses their power.

The way to check abuse by the police is through the democratic process, without violence. And that is the only way. The idea of resisting the police with guns is idiotic. First, it doesn't work. You might be able to defend yourself from a petty criminal, but as David Koresh and Randy Weaver found out, you can't actually resist the police with force in this country, no matter how many guns you have.

And that's a good thing. Because if it was possible to resist the police with guns, that would mean that people with enough guns wouldn't have to obey the law. We would have a failed state, and power would go to warlords and criminal gangs.

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Trayvon in Tulsa? [View all] DanTex Apr 2012 OP

Most of us rely on the police for "protection"? Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #1

Yes, most people rely on the police for protection. DanTex Apr 2012 #4

I think both are wrong gejohnston Apr 2012 #7

Imagine a criminal gang DID rule the day... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #14

So you think the US government is like a criminal gang? DanTex Apr 2012 #19

Well, we could just opt for a POLICE STATE where only the police can legally possess guns... LAGC Apr 2012 #15

The state already has a monopoly on violence. DanTex Apr 2012 #18

Do they now? LAGC Apr 2012 #36

"I imagine that would make the streets quite a bit safer, but at what cost?" Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #24

the UK also gejohnston Apr 2012 #28

Exactly! Proves my point Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #29

rules my ass gejohnston Apr 2012 #32

Why did UK have even less crime, including violent crime, before any gun laws? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #34

gangsters are sociopaths gejohnston Apr 2012 #38

Big difference being access and rules of the game. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #39

partly correct gejohnston Apr 2012 #40

yeah, except that just isn't true iverglas Apr 2012 #43

if you want to go there then gejohnston Apr 2012 #44

I didn't go there iverglas Apr 2012 #45

I've also noticed that people in Europe are a lot shorter than Americans... DanTex Apr 2012 #46

So you are saying it is the deterrant of getting caught? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #25

You really think so little of your neighbors? Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #37

While I am certain... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #2

I doubt anyone envisions that a sidearm will protect one.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #3

Not so, 96% of population walk around in public everyday without need for a gun. They do fine. Hoyt Apr 2012 #5

96% of the population drive in cars without having car accidents, too. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #26

Speaking of statistics... DanTex Apr 2012 #6

Cite for your "evidence-based argument", please. Thanks. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #8

Again: do you have an evidence-based argument that carrying a gun makes you safer? DanTex Apr 2012 #9

Hemenway? Please. beevul Apr 2012 #10

You're missing the point. DanTex Apr 2012 #11

Question... sarisataka Apr 2012 #12

This discussion started with me asking a very specific question. DanTex Apr 2012 #16

on the other hand gejohnston Apr 2012 #21

A well stated reply sarisataka Apr 2012 #23

Thanks! Hey, look everyone! Civil discourse in the gungeon! DanTex Apr 2012 #30

By people with opposing views sarisataka Apr 2012 #31

No, i'm really not. beevul Apr 2012 #13

OK, I'll put you down for "no evidence". DanTex Apr 2012 #17

You just don't know when to quit. beevul Apr 2012 #20

Still no evidence. DanTex Apr 2012 #22

I'm willing to risk it. No insurance-policy is cost-free. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #27

LOL. beevul Apr 2012 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #35

Here you go. PavePusher Apr 2012 #41

Umm... not quite. DanTex Apr 2012 #42

I fail to see how it encourages vigilantism gejohnston Apr 2012 #47