Gun Control & RKBA

We_Have_A_Problem

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59. Ah geez....

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:13 PM

Dec 2011

You really want to go by that? Lets see, it was ALSO founded by non-slave owners, people who were overthrowing their legitimate government, criminals of all stripes, blacks, whites, and native Americans. Incidentally they also all breathed air, drank water and ate food. Shall we dismiss all those things as being tainted as well?

Women were not denied the vote either. They just had to own property - just like men.

Yes they killed Indians for their land. So what? That's how things were (and are) done. Typically when an indigenous people is where you want to be, they don't usually leave because you ask nicely.

Some of the specifics have changed, but people by and large have not. If you want the Constitution modified to remove the right to keep and bear arms, you are free to start your campaign now. You wont get anywhere, but good luck. Simply pretending it does not exist is the wrong way to go about it. Seems you're the one who "can't keep up".

Truth is, we really DON'T need laws regarding guns. The gun isn't the problem. The criminal is. Criminal acts are already illegal. All gun control laws do is make it harder for those who wouldn't break the law to begin with to comply with new laws.

Last and certainly not least, this nation was founded on the principals of individual liberty. If you don't like it, leave. Seriously. GTFO.

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Mental Illness and Gun Ownership [View all] HockeyMom Dec 2011 OP

"A woman wrote..." Sounds like hyperbole to me. AlinPA Dec 2011 #1

Ever hear of City Data? HockeyMom Dec 2011 #3

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #2

I agree that a lot of these "illnesses" should not disqualify someone from gun ownership. enough Dec 2011 #4

My daughter HockeyMom Dec 2011 #6

In your daughter's case I'd think it like alcohol DissedByBush Dec 2011 #27

I think you have to be adjudicated nentally ill. rrneck Dec 2011 #5

That is what I would think also HockeyMom Dec 2011 #7

That's the ticket. The 5th Amendment is your friend. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #9

In Indiana, if you've sought treatment from a Mental Health Professional, you have to state such BiggJawn Dec 2011 #30

Interesting. rrneck Dec 2011 #32

Federal Law prohibits anyone who has been adjudicated mentally ill from possessing a firearm aikoaiko Dec 2011 #8

I thought that part of that process waas determining if one presented a danger to others... PavePusher Dec 2011 #10

Correct, not all mental illness can lead to involuntary committment. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #15

correction: "Federal law"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #11

If You're Going To Advocate Gun Ownership For The Mentally Ill..... Paladin Dec 2011 #12

convicted felons? gejohnston Dec 2011 #14

With Gun Prohibitionists like yourself MicaelS Dec 2011 #17

Lots of folks have... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #68

as I understand the federal law gejohnston Dec 2011 #13

"Identify Prohibited Persons" one-eyed fat man Dec 2011 #16

Adjudicated mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to a mental institution. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #18

I'm happy to say that I totally agree with you, and I think we both agree with the law. TPaine7 Dec 2011 #19

I agree anorexia, grief counseling, etc., should not be grounds. But, how about being a gun "nut?" Hoyt Dec 2011 #20

And where is that found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #21

Right next to "gun fetish." If you think guns are equivalent to the issues you mention, Hoyt Dec 2011 #22

Nice dodge, Hoyt. How many miles does it get to the gallon? X_Digger Dec 2011 #23

Hey, we've been looking at guns same old way for hundreds of years. Time to update the diagnosis. Hoyt Dec 2011 #24

So.. just you typical BS, then? X_Digger Dec 2011 #28

Is there some reason you can't post in a thread without bringing up open or concealed carry? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #25

Hey, I'm against guns in public. All your posts promote guns. Finally, try Ignore. Hoyt Dec 2011 #26

But then I'll have to wonder why there are huge holes in every thread. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #33

It's the hobby horse he must trot out every time. n/t X_Digger Dec 2011 #29

"Gun Fetish" is in the DSM-IV? BiggJawn Dec 2011 #31

Darn sure ought to be. NRA probably spent millions to keep it out. Hoyt Dec 2011 #35

You sure make a lot of accusations for someone with no medical qualifications. PavePusher Dec 2011 #37

Good question? I've sure been reported by enough of you gun guys. Hoyt Dec 2011 #43

But Obsessive-Compulsive disorder is in there... BiggJawn Dec 2011 #38

Qwners not necessarily. Need to rule it out for those who strap one/two on before walking out door. Hoyt Dec 2011 #44

Heh-heh... You said "Strap one one"... BiggJawn Dec 2011 #50

"Is one who walks into a public park, restaurant, church, etc., with a gun" AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #34

No, they aren't thinking rationally. Nor do they care what is best for society. Hoyt Dec 2011 #36

So then... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #39

Leave your guns at home is what I am saying. As for the rest of your question, quit being stupid. Hoyt Dec 2011 #41

I'm not being stupid We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #45

Never... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #51

That was rather my point.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #54

That may be but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #55

You and I are on the same side there my friend. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #57

Here is a t-shirt you may like: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #67

Individual vs. societal rights need balancing. A good place to start is restricting guns in public. Hoyt Dec 2011 #58

Ah geez.... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #59

"GTFO" -- sounds right wing to me. Used to hear it often in 50/60s from fuckers with guns. Hoyt Dec 2011 #60

You're just hopeless. We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #62

and some of those gejohnston Dec 2011 #63

If you only had a clue... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #64

It seems to me that society has shown what it believes is good for it, oneshooter Dec 2011 #40

Society has not said that. Right wing gun lobbies have paid right wing legislators for votes. Hoyt Dec 2011 #42

Do you REALLY think... We_Have_A_Problem Dec 2011 #46

Are you kidding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #65

If you are actually "unarmed and safe" why do you care if I have a gun? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #69

Simple-- you are polluting society with your guns in public. And you promote carrying by others. Hoyt Dec 2011 #72

A post worthy of Pat Robertson, Harry J. Anslinger, or Fredric Wertham friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #73

But you just said you were safe? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #75

Yes I am thinking rationally when I carry my legal concealed weapon ... spin Dec 2011 #48

Let's face it; discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #52

It was a hell of a shame that Dr. Hupp did not have her weapon with her in the restaurant. (n/t) spin Dec 2011 #53

Amen to that. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #56

Doesn't take any guts to tuck a gun or two down your pants and walk into Chuck E Cheeze. Hoyt Dec 2011 #61

I see your lack of respect for the rights of others... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #66

I prefer a holster. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #70

And, you "could" shoot an innocent five year old for your need to pack a gun. Hoyt Dec 2011 #71

Wow, you can remote view as well as practice telespsychology. I am impressed! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #74

Could? How? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #76

Give them an inch they'll take a mile. ileus Dec 2011 #47

You reminded me of Catch 22... spin Dec 2011 #49