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In reply to the discussion: assault rifles gettting some more play time. Been a busy two years! [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)19. nice rant
To what should we attribute the design differences in weapons like those? Would someone looking to kill a large number of people in a short time, in a small area, not have a preference, unless they had a lot of silly ideas about what some keep calling "cosmetic" features of weapons?
Because they don't. That is the reality
Why does the pro-gun side of the "assault weapons" argument pretend that there isn't a people-killing design element to weapons the firearms industry first started calling "assault weapons?" Why do they deliberately avoid the basic point some weapons -- which we keep hearing are "tools" are, like all tools, function specific. You don't bring a phillips-head screwdriver to pound a nail. Are we actually all supposed to pretend all weapons are the same?
No, the industry did not start using the term. Antis did hence "assault weapon" instead of assault weapon.
"Assault weapon" is not an "anti" term, right? It's a marketing term. Are the gun manufacturers lying when they suggest that certain design components make a gun a better choice for combat than hunting?
It is an "anti" propaganda buzz term created by Josh Sugarmann. His exact quote:
"Assault weaponsjust like armor-piercing bullets, machine guns, and plastic firearmsare a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weaponsanything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine guncan only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons. In addition, few people can envision a practical use for these weapons."
The depth to which these silly rhetorical notions have been ingrained in some people is confounding. It's "irrational" and shows "ignorance of firearms" to note that certain weapons have design components focused on killing, vs. hunting, or even simple defense? If that's the case, why don't cops carry .22 target pistols? Why don't soldiers carry single-shot hunting rifles (anymore)?
Actually, no. It is simply a progression from "tactical to practical". Functionally, there is no difference between an AR and a semi automatic rifle with a wooden stock or a semi automatic skeet gun. Since your knowledge of guns etc seems to be nonexistent, you have no business telling me what "I need".
The basic discussion is as simple as this: Does the public have a legitimate interest in regulating types of weapons on the basis of their design application? Do we have the right to be more concerned about someone stocking up on weapons with a combat focus vs. hunting, target-shooting, etc.?
We have been regulating firearms, on the federal level, based on their design application since 1934. No, you can not buy machine guns at gun shows or Wal Mart. A leading Criminologist put it best when he said "the issue is not how many guns, the issue is who has them." Someone "stocking up" legally is not the danger to society. Most murderers have criminal records. Google "myth of virgin killer"
Either point of view may be legitimate. But pretending there's no such thing, and all discussion of types of weapons and their intended focus is meaningless is not an honest argument, period.
And semi auto rifles based on ARs that are designed for hunting? They exist. Regardless, the more important discussion is how they are used. These rifles are rarely used in violent crime. Much less than bare hands. It is more important to deal with real issues and causes instead of wasting time and energy on theater.
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assault rifles gettting some more play time. Been a busy two years! [View all]
MichaelHarris
Apr 2012
OP
The Locksmith who was murdered was a close family friend of one of my the guys he works with.
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#2
A wasted mind is an awful thing to behold.....You make as much sense as a mud window but
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#54
My suspicion is that Clames will be around here a lot longer than a potty mouthed
rl6214
Apr 2012
#105
And you know what? you would do yourself a HUGE favor by taking a bit of your own fucking advice-
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#78
Noticed you didn't add anything of substance but that's what I expected. Once again, talk is cheap
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#94
Yeah, talk is cheap and I don't feel the need to try to boost my credibility by posting
rl6214
Apr 2012
#104
Hey, I knew that. Did you know it has always been called an "Assault Rifle?"
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#85
Problem is gun enthusiasts often stop at "Well, technically, that's not the case"
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#87
My perception of the history of the debate is that regulation is conflated with "ban" & dismissed.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#92
I'd like to see the educated, gun-savvy proposal for sensible restrictions.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#100
There is a level of ergonomics more suitable for tactical situations than others
krispos42
Apr 2012
#41
The question is simply whether, on balance, it's reasonable to restrict people-killing design.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#89
These are people trying to legislate morality. To them, good ergonomics are evil.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2012
#108
I didn't call for a ban of anything. But the idea that only the ignorant would, is ignorant.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#98
Thank you Atypical Liberal. I have a problem with people who try to expand the 2nd amendment
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#66
There is something I really would LOVE to say to something as ignorant as this post but my mother
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#68
You know, don't care what you think and as far as I'm concerned, you don't exist. I believe
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#70
That much is true BUT you came at me with a viciousness and assumption that went far beyond the
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#72
I'm sorry too. I didn't mean the name Billy Bob as a disrespect to southerners. My husband
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#76
May I have a hard and fast definition of what makes a rifle "high powered", please?
Johnny Rico
Apr 2012
#4
The most powerful gun currently in my collection is a Browning BAR in .300 Win Mag.
Johnny Rico
Apr 2012
#53
I've only ever target shot with my high powered AR and no one around me had "dropped like flies"...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Apr 2012
#11