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In reply to the discussion: THIS is the NRA...... [View all]

gejohnston

(17,502 posts)
36. not willingly blind, just deeper thinking
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 11:18 AM
Apr 2012
The gungeon is troll-friendly territory because, as long as you don't ever make any comments about any topic except for guns, you can get away with expressing right-wing views, routinely criticizing liberal Democrats and prominent progressive voices while celebrating Republican legislative victories, citing FOX News and WashingtonTimes (and whining about "genetic fallacy" when you get called out) while complaining that progressive media outlets are "biased", supporting right-wing lobby groups like the NRA, and so on.

If a moderate or conservative Democrat disagrees with a liberal Democrat, they are still Democrats. DU rules say "a place for Democrats" all Dems in the big tent are welcome. You seem to have a problem with that. There are some very liberal gun owners go comment only here because they feel they have nothing to add any place else because of lack of knowledge on the subject or "me too". I don't do "me too" posts.
As for legislate victories, if I agree with it, I don't care who it comes from. If I disagree with it, I don't care who it comes from. If a conservative Democrat is against single payer, I disagree with him (I seem to recall those). If a Log Cabin Republican is for marriage equality, I agree with him just as I would any liberal Dem that would join him.
I support the Democratic Party and and vote Democratic because that is the party that currently shares most of my values and pushes an agenda I agree with. The party platform does not shape my views.
When it comes to sources, my rule is very basic. Is the information correct? If the information is correct, but bitch about the source, It is a genetic fallacy.
I hold my side to the same standards, if not a higher standard, as I would the other or neutral sources. If some blogger at Think Progress writes about buying machine guns at Wal Mart or the "wild west" nonsense, I'm going to correct it. If Faux can't tell the difference between a Hawaii birth certificate and one from a British Colony, I bust a gut laughing my ass off.
If I disagree, I disagree. I don't like ditto heads on the right, and I refuse to be one on the left. Rachel Maddow has a different view on guns than I do, but it has nothing to do with left/right. It also does not mean that either of us should conform to the other to be a true progressive.

And like I said, not all pro-gunners are trolls. But let's not pretend that there aren't a good number of (sometimes pretty obvious) trolls.

There are some. They tend to get weeded out pretty fast.

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THIS is the NRA...... [View all] Logical Apr 2012 OP
"They ignore the last 4 years " True " rl6214 Apr 2012 #1
RL, you almost seem like a GOP supporter to me...... Logical Apr 2012 #3
There's a bunch of similar posters who never seem to post except in this forum... rfranklin Apr 2012 #6
I 100% agree! Some trolls here I am sure! Logical Apr 2012 #7
It's no secret that the Guns board on DU is a favorite for right-wing trolls. DanTex Apr 2012 #9
have some links to go with that? gejohnston Apr 2012 #12
For example... DanTex Apr 2012 #14
It seems that they have been busted at least once gejohnston Apr 2012 #18
Right, because those are obviously the only trolls we've ever had... lol DanTex Apr 2012 #21
There have been a few gejohnston Apr 2012 #23
You're being willingly blind... DanTex Apr 2012 #32
Well, I have a question for you shadowrider Apr 2012 #33
I don't automatically assume anyone is a troll. DanTex Apr 2012 #34
Let me ask a question, in all honesty shadowrider Apr 2012 #35
If the information is true, it shouldn't matter. DanTex Apr 2012 #42
not willingly blind, just deeper thinking gejohnston Apr 2012 #36
Well said!!! (nt) eqfan592 Apr 2012 #37
You "deep thinker" you... DanTex Apr 2012 #40
your point it gejohnston Apr 2012 #41
Feel free to speak out about them then. beevul Apr 2012 #25
LOL. For a second I thought that was a link... DanTex Apr 2012 #31
And for a second, I actually thought you were concerned about trolls. beevul Apr 2012 #49
5 and 9 years ago? Really? PavePusher Apr 2012 #24
Right, cause obviously the trolling stopped five years ago. DanTex Apr 2012 #30
but my personal favourite iverglas Apr 2012 #50
DU (Ducks Unlimited)? Remmah2 Apr 2012 #51
I'll testify to that. Hoyt Apr 2012 #27
Please show anywhere that I have supported the NRA rl6214 Apr 2012 #17
Trolling or otherwise Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #10
The RKBA Should NOT Be a Left/Right Issue... tucsonlib Apr 2012 #26
I notice a lot of far right gun owners and NRA supporters Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #29
You forgot the sarcasm tag Doctor_J Apr 2012 #38
I honestly think he was gejohnston Apr 2012 #39
Well Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #48
Can you bring me up to speed on this Doctor_J Apr 2012 #53
He's left handed, for one =oP Lawlbringer Apr 2012 #54
I am asking you a question because I do not know the answer... rl6214 Apr 2012 #16
You just defended them in the OP saying they were not misleading about Obama. Logical Apr 2012 #20
Where? rl6214 Apr 2012 #22
Supreme court mr_liberal Apr 2012 #2
I don't get it Gman Apr 2012 #4
Saw it off. Smart move. Logical Apr 2012 #5
I assume you want to saw off the barrel of the shotgun to make it handier for self defense. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #8
Thanks for the info Gman Apr 2012 #11
LaPierre looks constipated TheCowsCameHome Apr 2012 #13
That is funny sarisataka Apr 2012 #15
/highfive Callisto32 Apr 2012 #19
Yep. Most right wingers have that look for some reason. Hoyt Apr 2012 #28
Please point out the lies--the false statements of fact TPaine7 Apr 2012 #43
They are misleading at best! Lying at worse! Logical Apr 2012 #44
You're missing my point TPaine7 Apr 2012 #46
Question for you... Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #55
Here is some more NRA shit for you to defend! Logical Apr 2012 #45
I was asking for clarification of what you said in your OP, TPaine7 Apr 2012 #47
Listen to Obama himself on concealed carry. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #52
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