Gun Control & RKBA

JDPriestly

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52. If you are keeping your gun at hand and really not using it, you

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 02:06 PM

Apr 2012

won't have a problem. But if you carry your gun or take it out to show it off or play with it carelessly, then you will.

The SYG laws as opposed to the castle laws presume that you are carrying a gun. And that is dangerous. Regardless of whether you have that "right" or not -- the "right" to carry your gun -- you are stupid to do it. Oh, the stories I could tell you. Sad, sad stories.

Our courts and jails are full of people who shot in self-defense, or at least that's their story.

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EJ Dionne: Why the NRA pushes �Stand Your Ground� [View all] alp227 Apr 2012 OP

He doen't understand the word "vigilantism". pipoman Apr 2012 #1

Don't carry a gun, and you won't kill, not even in supposed self-defense. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #3

Stand up and take your murdering like a man, huh? pipoman Apr 2012 #5

It's the price you gotta pay not to pollute society. ileus Apr 2012 #14

Problem is that criminals generally think they were attacked first. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #43

Are people with fire extinguishers paranoid / expecting fire? X_Digger Apr 2012 #46

If you are keeping your gun at hand and really not using it, you JDPriestly Apr 2012 #52

SYG can be about *anything* used in self-defense, not just guns. (the same with castle doctrine). X_Digger Apr 2012 #53

Most violence is not objectively speaking self-defense although JDPriestly Apr 2012 #45

based on? gejohnston Apr 2012 #47

Watching in courtrooms. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #54

"Of course, you have a right to self-defense." PavePusher Apr 2012 #55

no, you don't see those in small towns in the mid west gejohnston Apr 2012 #58

I agree that gun laws should be determined locally. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #59

Any other rights that should be handled locally? X_Digger Apr 2012 #61

Criminals do not seem generally keen to take safety, self-defense and anti-crime classes. PavePusher Apr 2012 #22

Smokers are not generally keen to give up smoking. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #42

Hope you don't have a family whose lives depend on you. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #29

Hilarious. Clames Apr 2012 #30

Brady does have a plan for saving lives. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #41

Guess again. Straw Man Apr 2012 #48

The NRA should pay as much to get the message about the dangers JDPriestly Apr 2012 #49

Why should my money go towards that? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #51

Your money should go toward that so that people like me who are on the fence, JDPriestly Apr 2012 #56

Please clarify. Straw Man Apr 2012 #57

In my view, you should be able to defend yourself anywhere but not with a gun. JDPriestly Apr 2012 #60

I see several problems. Straw Man Apr 2012 #62

Well, we shall have to wait to learn what the evidence shows, JDPriestly Apr 2012 #50

after all, guns were invented for one purpose: killing people nt msongs Apr 2012 #2

They push it because it makes money.Sell guns to crazies, sell 'em to the sane to protect themselves saras Apr 2012 #4

Yeah, and with .006% of guns in the US used in murders, we should outlaw them pipoman Apr 2012 #7

wait... .006% of guns? what's the percentage of murders committed with guns? Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #8

There are 300,000,000 known guns owned by private citizens in the United States GreydeeThos Apr 2012 #9

why is that a relevant statistic? I think the more relevant stat is the one where the activity Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #10

Also, you just made the previous poster's point again. That doesn't get you extra Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #11

all of them....any gunner baser is a toter wannabe zimmerman. ileus Apr 2012 #17

way to respond to someone who shares your view Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #18

'gun crime and gun murders' pipoman Apr 2012 #21

Are you certain... beevul Apr 2012 #28

Of course he/she is WinniSkipper Apr 2012 #44

And 0.4% of gun owners. X_Digger Apr 2012 #40

You actually feel... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #6

I agree with you Becka2515 Apr 2012 #12

in the context of this debate the victim was in a public space where he had a right to be and Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #15

Absolutely not mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #19

but to claim "selective editing" and then "slanted reporting" then taking the side of the shooter Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #20

No-one here has "taken the side of the shooter". PavePusher Apr 2012 #23

"okay" i "guess" i was "wrong" Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #24

Yes, "you" were. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #26

......wow. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #34

Understandable mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #39

Which has what to do with George Zimmerman? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #27

if MSM and conventional wisdom is correct gejohnston Apr 2012 #31

Cite? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #33

reverse the situation gejohnston Apr 2012 #36

This is usually called a Straw Man Doctor_J Apr 2012 #37

I don't think so gejohnston Apr 2012 #38

We should all push SYG... ileus Apr 2012 #13

i think it's getting pushed right now. Tunkamerica Apr 2012 #16

He's exactly right. Gun carriers love these laws because they can screw up and shoot an unarmed Hoyt Apr 2012 #25

Screw up? Doctor_J Apr 2012 #32

They can "play cowboy" and claim self-defense all they want AH1Apache Apr 2012 #35