Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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93. SMGs are innaccurate.

Mon Apr 16, 2012, 07:20 PM

Apr 2012

Ted Nugent wants to go quail hunting with a MAC-10. Great. Might work. Does the Second Amendment require we let him, or at some point do we decide that the people-killing efficiency overbalances the theoretical non-homicidal application?

Game regulations have nothing to do with the Second Amendment. Even if the MAC 10 is legal, most states have a problem with it. Wyoming for example does not allow machine guns in the wild. That said, given that it is easier to hit a quail with a shotgun than a sub machine gun, the PETA side of me says let him. If he does it Wyoming, I hope the game warden likes country and has a young daughter.

the rest of the stuff is pop psychology and not worth the effort.

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wally-world had 7 AR variants on the shelf today. ileus Apr 2012 #1

My friend bought one of those .22 AR's. LAGC Apr 2012 #14

The Locksmith who was murdered was a close family friend of one of my the guys he works with. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #2

Blah, blah, blah, anti-gun zealot talking points. rl6214 Apr 2012 #6

but the 5.56 and 7.62x39 are super high powered when in a pistol grip rifle. ileus Apr 2012 #7

Actually, genuis, my husband is a GUN COLLECTOR and has a number of them Ecumenist Apr 2012 #30

Well here's a pot... Clames Apr 2012 #42

A wasted mind is an awful thing to behold.....You make as much sense as a mud window but Ecumenist Apr 2012 #54

My suspicion is that Clames will be around here a lot longer than a potty mouthed rl6214 Apr 2012 #105

And that really dosen't mean he knows squat about guns rl6214 Apr 2012 #77

And you know what? you would do yourself a HUGE favor by taking a bit of your own fucking advice- Ecumenist Apr 2012 #78

"I don't assume anything about anyone " rl6214 Apr 2012 #80

Noticed you didn't add anything of substance but that's what I expected. Once again, talk is cheap Ecumenist Apr 2012 #94

Yeah, talk is cheap and I don't feel the need to try to boost my credibility by posting rl6214 Apr 2012 #104

You lot do tend to act out a lot when pressed, don't you? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #81

And if i gave a fuck, it would matter to me. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #91

This gun is a weapon of war: Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #8

Very sorry to hear about your/their loss. Straw Man Apr 2012 #12

Isn't that a pretty obvious obfuscation? DirkGently Apr 2012 #18

nice rant gejohnston Apr 2012 #19

What does the "AR" in AR-15 stand for? DirkGently Apr 2012 #24

AR? sarisataka Apr 2012 #27

Hey, I knew that. Did you know it has always been called an "Assault Rifle?" DirkGently Apr 2012 #85

Funny... sarisataka Apr 2012 #86

Armalite nt hack89 Apr 2012 #44

Simple Google search... Clames Apr 2012 #45

Any response to the substance of the post? DirkGently Apr 2012 #83

I will... Clames Apr 2012 #109

Not really when you look at their abilities sarisataka Apr 2012 #20

If that were true, there'd be no market for the combat weapon. DirkGently Apr 2012 #23

Several reasons sarisataka Apr 2012 #28

Problem is gun enthusiasts often stop at "Well, technically, that's not the case" DirkGently Apr 2012 #87

The history of the debate... sarisataka Apr 2012 #90

My perception of the history of the debate is that regulation is conflated with "ban" & dismissed. DirkGently Apr 2012 #92

Agreed, in principle sarisataka Apr 2012 #95

I'd like to see the educated, gun-savvy proposal for sensible restrictions. DirkGently Apr 2012 #100

you won't see one dominated by the VPC or Brady. gejohnston Apr 2012 #103

There is a level of ergonomics more suitable for tactical situations than others krispos42 Apr 2012 #41

The question is simply whether, on balance, it's reasonable to restrict people-killing design. DirkGently Apr 2012 #89

SMGs are innaccurate. gejohnston Apr 2012 #93

Well, that's the rub krispos42 Apr 2012 #107

These are people trying to legislate morality. To them, good ergonomics are evil. friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #108

Answer below Travis_0004 Apr 2012 #25

I didn't call for a ban of anything. But the idea that only the ignorant would, is ignorant. DirkGently Apr 2012 #98

The second amendment is about weapons of war. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #65

Refreshing to hear someone admit that. Now ... DirkGently Apr 2012 #84

project much? gejohnston Apr 2012 #88

I'm curious.. what 'design elements' are neither sporting, nor military and.. X_Digger Apr 2012 #96

There's no right to military weapons. Nice try. DirkGently Apr 2012 #99

have to correct something gejohnston Apr 2012 #101

It's your concept, own it. X_Digger Apr 2012 #102

Answers. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #106

No. Straw Man Apr 2012 #75

A phillips-head screwdriver is an excellent tool for rotating a petronius Apr 2012 #97

Of course they are for war. The second amendment is ABOUT war. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #63

Thank you Atypical Liberal. I have a problem with people who try to expand the 2nd amendment Ecumenist Apr 2012 #66

I have a problem with people who have no clue gejohnston Apr 2012 #67

There is something I really would LOVE to say to something as ignorant as this post but my mother Ecumenist Apr 2012 #68

my aren't we pissed off gejohnston Apr 2012 #69

You know, don't care what you think and as far as I'm concerned, you don't exist. I believe Ecumenist Apr 2012 #70

I believe what I believe gejohnston Apr 2012 #71

That much is true BUT you came at me with a viciousness and assumption that went far beyond the Ecumenist Apr 2012 #72

apology and clarification gejohnston Apr 2012 #73

I'm sorry too. I didn't mean the name Billy Bob as a disrespect to southerners. My husband Ecumenist Apr 2012 #76

The second amendment does not preclude self-defense. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #74

still does not change the fact that gejohnston Apr 2012 #3

May I have a hard and fast definition of what makes a rifle "high powered", please? Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #4

I have $5 that says you won't get an answer. PavePusher Apr 2012 #9

I don't think I'll take that bet. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #13

I think we need to go higher than that.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #17

My own bias is in terms of North American hunting, Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #43

I wish I had one too. Unfortunately, I aquired the taste and desire... PavePusher Apr 2012 #48

Send me $100 and I'll tell you the winning numbers shadowrider Apr 2012 #50

I'll get right on that. PavePusher Apr 2012 #55

I suppose you'll send me $1000 by mistake and I have shadowrider Apr 2012 #57

Ah, you've done this before. PavePusher Apr 2012 #58

Smartass shadowrider Apr 2012 #61

The most powerful gun currently in my collection is a Browning BAR in .300 Win Mag. Johnny Rico Apr 2012 #53

More "NRA Talking Points"! DonP Apr 2012 #15

Don't forget shadowrider Apr 2012 #31

Anything not powered by a spring.... ileus Apr 2012 #37

Until it's posted exactly what type of weapon he had, that article is rl6214 Apr 2012 #5

Please list, by name and/or model... PavePusher Apr 2012 #10

I've only ever target shot with my high powered AR and no one around me had "dropped like flies"... OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #11

So, uh, how much do you want for it? Dr_Scholl Apr 2012 #22

.308? Callisto32 Apr 2012 #35

LR-308C with Floated quadrail. OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #47

chewy 308 goodness....what bi-pod is that? ileus Apr 2012 #38

VLTOR ModPod OneTenthofOnePercent Apr 2012 #46

Gun permit was revoked yamihere Apr 2012 #16

Blame lazy cops... jenwilson Apr 2012 #21

No Callisto32 Apr 2012 #34

No...it's the guns fault...blame the guns. ileus Apr 2012 #39

While a Catch 22, I think anyone who wants to purchase such weapons should be banned from owning Hoyt Apr 2012 #26

Hmmm. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #33

Please define... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #49

See your tribute thread to "assault weapons." Hoyt Apr 2012 #52

No appearances here... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #59

What if they're not used as weapons? ileus Apr 2012 #56

Ya know, if you want to be taken seriously... eqfan592 Apr 2012 #29

Depends on one's perspective. I think it's a serious OP. Lots of people do. Hoyt Apr 2012 #40

Harvy Strawman, Attorney at Law.. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #32

By definition, an assault rifle is chambered for an intermediate caliber. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #36

I have yet to read... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #51

"high-powered"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #60

Oh look, more 'stats by nooz reports'. X_Digger Apr 2012 #62

Or anyone carrying an AK-47 in Moscow, Idaho? friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #82

All rifles combined only kill about 300 people each year. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #64

do you always put gejohnston Apr 2012 #79

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