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In reply to the discussion: assault rifles gettting some more play time. Been a busy two years! [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)106. Answers.
Refreshing to hear someone admit that. Now the question remains -- is there a legitimate public policy interest in regulating and restricting weapons designed for killing people?
In a word, no. All rifles combined, let alone assault rifles, only account for about 300 homicides annually. This is half as many as are killed by hands and feet.
The reason is simple: Rifles are not conducive to crime because they are not concealable.
If you want to regulate firearms, the only firearm that really could use regulation are handguns. But this makes the militia arms angle moot. And of course we don't want to regulate handguns, because they are the most portable, easy to use way to resist violence that current technology produces.
For example, if you take the "well-regulated militia" point of view, would it be reasonable to limit everyone to one, militarily-viable long gun, to be kept in the home under lock and key?
Here's the thing: If you own one, you are no more dangerous if you own 10. You can only use one rifle at a time. So there is no harm if I own a dozen. So why regulate it?
I'm somewhat ambivalent on the "lock them up" argument. When I had children, I bought a cheap-o $150 "gun safe", which, while it meets the requirements of the California Department of Justice for storing firearms, is really little more than a lockable filing cabinet. I bought it to keep my kids away from the guns. It is probably not much for protection against theft. Anyone with a crowbar could break into it.
If you want true UL-rated theft protection, such as a safe that is rated to protect against 15 or 30 minutes of dedicated attack, you are looking at many thousands of dollars.
Before I had kids, I did not lock up my firearms.
I think it is responsible to lock up your firearms, but there is also a penalty in time-to-access for doing so. If I lived someplace dangerous, I might be less willing to lock up my self-defense firearm. However, advances in quick-access gun safes may make this problem irrelevant.
My personal opinion is that if you have kids, or kids will ever be visiting your house, you should lock up your firearms.
Or, are there design elements which are neither sporting, nor military viable, but which are well-suited to illegal purposes?
I can't think of one. The number-one trait of a firearm that makes is well-suited to illegal purposes is concealability, at which the handgun excels. Unfortunately, the handgun is also the premier portable self-defense weapon.
That said, if I ever absolutely had to choose a firearm class to outlaw, it would be handguns. You don't need them in a military context (a pistol is a weapon you use to fight your way back to a rifle) and as long as people were armed with military-grade rifles you could easily defend your home and uphold the intent of the second amendment.
Unfortunately it will mean that every victim of violent crime will have no way to fight back short of engaging in a physical fight with their attacker.
In a word, no. All rifles combined, let alone assault rifles, only account for about 300 homicides annually. This is half as many as are killed by hands and feet.
The reason is simple: Rifles are not conducive to crime because they are not concealable.
If you want to regulate firearms, the only firearm that really could use regulation are handguns. But this makes the militia arms angle moot. And of course we don't want to regulate handguns, because they are the most portable, easy to use way to resist violence that current technology produces.
For example, if you take the "well-regulated militia" point of view, would it be reasonable to limit everyone to one, militarily-viable long gun, to be kept in the home under lock and key?
Here's the thing: If you own one, you are no more dangerous if you own 10. You can only use one rifle at a time. So there is no harm if I own a dozen. So why regulate it?
I'm somewhat ambivalent on the "lock them up" argument. When I had children, I bought a cheap-o $150 "gun safe", which, while it meets the requirements of the California Department of Justice for storing firearms, is really little more than a lockable filing cabinet. I bought it to keep my kids away from the guns. It is probably not much for protection against theft. Anyone with a crowbar could break into it.
If you want true UL-rated theft protection, such as a safe that is rated to protect against 15 or 30 minutes of dedicated attack, you are looking at many thousands of dollars.
Before I had kids, I did not lock up my firearms.
I think it is responsible to lock up your firearms, but there is also a penalty in time-to-access for doing so. If I lived someplace dangerous, I might be less willing to lock up my self-defense firearm. However, advances in quick-access gun safes may make this problem irrelevant.
My personal opinion is that if you have kids, or kids will ever be visiting your house, you should lock up your firearms.
Or, are there design elements which are neither sporting, nor military viable, but which are well-suited to illegal purposes?
I can't think of one. The number-one trait of a firearm that makes is well-suited to illegal purposes is concealability, at which the handgun excels. Unfortunately, the handgun is also the premier portable self-defense weapon.
That said, if I ever absolutely had to choose a firearm class to outlaw, it would be handguns. You don't need them in a military context (a pistol is a weapon you use to fight your way back to a rifle) and as long as people were armed with military-grade rifles you could easily defend your home and uphold the intent of the second amendment.
Unfortunately it will mean that every victim of violent crime will have no way to fight back short of engaging in a physical fight with their attacker.
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assault rifles gettting some more play time. Been a busy two years! [View all]
MichaelHarris
Apr 2012
OP
The Locksmith who was murdered was a close family friend of one of my the guys he works with.
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#2
A wasted mind is an awful thing to behold.....You make as much sense as a mud window but
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#54
My suspicion is that Clames will be around here a lot longer than a potty mouthed
rl6214
Apr 2012
#105
And you know what? you would do yourself a HUGE favor by taking a bit of your own fucking advice-
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#78
Noticed you didn't add anything of substance but that's what I expected. Once again, talk is cheap
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#94
Yeah, talk is cheap and I don't feel the need to try to boost my credibility by posting
rl6214
Apr 2012
#104
Hey, I knew that. Did you know it has always been called an "Assault Rifle?"
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#85
Problem is gun enthusiasts often stop at "Well, technically, that's not the case"
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#87
My perception of the history of the debate is that regulation is conflated with "ban" & dismissed.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#92
I'd like to see the educated, gun-savvy proposal for sensible restrictions.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#100
There is a level of ergonomics more suitable for tactical situations than others
krispos42
Apr 2012
#41
The question is simply whether, on balance, it's reasonable to restrict people-killing design.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#89
These are people trying to legislate morality. To them, good ergonomics are evil.
friendly_iconoclast
Apr 2012
#108
I didn't call for a ban of anything. But the idea that only the ignorant would, is ignorant.
DirkGently
Apr 2012
#98
Thank you Atypical Liberal. I have a problem with people who try to expand the 2nd amendment
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#66
There is something I really would LOVE to say to something as ignorant as this post but my mother
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#68
You know, don't care what you think and as far as I'm concerned, you don't exist. I believe
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#70
That much is true BUT you came at me with a viciousness and assumption that went far beyond the
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#72
I'm sorry too. I didn't mean the name Billy Bob as a disrespect to southerners. My husband
Ecumenist
Apr 2012
#76
May I have a hard and fast definition of what makes a rifle "high powered", please?
Johnny Rico
Apr 2012
#4
The most powerful gun currently in my collection is a Browning BAR in .300 Win Mag.
Johnny Rico
Apr 2012
#53
I've only ever target shot with my high powered AR and no one around me had "dropped like flies"...
OneTenthofOnePercent
Apr 2012
#11