Gun Control & RKBA

Lost-in-FL

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188. Nevermind that I have nothing against responsible gun ownership as I stated a few...

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 11:56 PM

Apr 2012

posts above this one. Of course, you still believe I want your loved ones dead simply because of your mistaken idea that I want to take everyone's guns away. I truly don't know what to do, if to be angry at you or just laugh at your petty argument. You are literally jumping the gun.

I hope that in the future your emotionally driven responses (which you gave a great example of with your vicious, virulent accusation) don't give way one day to the kind of obscure mindset of the likes of Mr Zimmerman. You shouldn't be carrying a gun around when you get so easily aroused by your emotions as you are showing here tonight. Come back with an useful argument on SYG when you get a grip on reality.

You need to get some fresh air I think. Your brain cells will thank you for it.

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As the pendulum swings, we see a glimpse of sanity on the horizon [View all] Starboard Tack Apr 2012 OP

While I wouldnt start counting chickens just yet rrneck Apr 2012 #1

Like it should. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #2

It's not necessarily a bad law rrneck Apr 2012 #6

It's a bad law... ellisonz Apr 2012 #28

Of course it's atrocious. rrneck Apr 2012 #40

Explain to me why preceeding self-defense law was insufficient. nt/ ellisonz Apr 2012 #43

So you got nothin'. All righty. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #52

Neither do you... ellisonz Apr 2012 #53

The difference rrneck Apr 2012 #54

"I'm not feeding off the death of that boy for my own amusement." ellisonz Apr 2012 #61

Whst makes you think I've ever taken you seriously? rrneck Apr 2012 #73

These gun culture folks are often disgusting. They'd sacrifice a bunch of innocents Hoyt Apr 2012 #128

Yes, and several others would sarcifice a bunch of people to ban them. beevul Apr 2012 #130

You've never seen beyond your gun barrel. What's new? Hoyt Apr 2012 #131

I haven't actually even looked at a gun... beevul Apr 2012 #167

Show me how the statute even APPLIES to the Martin incident... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #222

Unfortunately. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #39

Oh boy! I think you just burst a lot of balloons. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #70

You do know that gun sales to women is one of the fastest growing segments, right? DonP Apr 2012 #75

I do. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #80

Also, Harley Davidson is having functions in their stores targeted (no pun... ) to women. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #86

snork iverglas Apr 2012 #157

You are right, a miserable increase. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #191

Apparently you haven't been paying attention...Women are among the fastest growing demographics S_B_Jackson Apr 2012 #76

Not a good way to find out you need to carry a gun. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #90

No, it wasn't....attack took place IN her home. S_B_Jackson Apr 2012 #118

What does your wife's experience have to do with carrying in public? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #162

actually, no indication at all that one needs to carry a gun iverglas Apr 2012 #158

+1. Well said, as usual. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #165

+1, nt Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #185

Dear Lost-in-FL, please read this shadowrider Apr 2012 #77

I do know people with firearms. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #84

"Lady"? iverglas Apr 2012 #161

The poster to whom I was answering didn't take offense, so you have no reason shadowrider Apr 2012 #164

you really are a great big charmer, you are! iverglas Apr 2012 #168

Buh Bye shadowrider Apr 2012 #171

I wish iverglas Apr 2012 #173

Sliced and diced! Damn, that was better than hockey. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #178

I fail to see the logic gejohnston Apr 2012 #78

Qualified expert with M16 and was trained as a Medic to use a 9mm Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #89

I grew up with guns gejohnston Apr 2012 #96

"I basically find duty to retreat as fundamentally unjust in many ways." Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #163

what sick, upside-down world? iverglas Apr 2012 #169

You're right. That would be, "sick" and "upside-down." HALO141 Apr 2012 #243

...unfortunately sarisataka Apr 2012 #81

My Loving Wife has had a CHL for 10 years now. oneshooter Apr 2012 #82

I don't have a problem with responsible/common sense gun ownership. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #88

I'm with you all the way. Good posts. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #92

agree except that gejohnston Apr 2012 #98

Maybe that applies to everyone. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #100

so if Martin killed gejohnston Apr 2012 #114

I am against it in principle outside the home Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #146

And this is where that argument breaks down. Clames Apr 2012 #148

Self-defense can be a justification for homicide. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #155

another one who needs to go to law school iverglas Apr 2012 #196

Another one who needs to go to charm school. Clames Apr 2012 #199

Q.E.D. iverglas Apr 2012 #201

As long as you are admonishing people to cognoscere Apr 2012 #210

if I see any need for instructions from whoever you are iverglas Apr 2012 #212

Oh, Canada! Clames Apr 2012 #219

At least I understand it enough to know that it didn't even apply to Zimmy guy. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #102

In truth, the fervor over SYG pipoman Apr 2012 #141

Thank you. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #103

She also shoots HighPower, using a AR-15 I built for her. oneshooter Apr 2012 #94

Good point! bongbong Apr 2012 #110

My wife has twice used her concealed pistol to prevent attack. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #135

Seriously? Why would I like that? Dramatizing much? Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #154

Because you are against guns. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #186

Nevermind that I have nothing against responsible gun ownership as I stated a few... Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #188

So are you against her having a CHL and carrying a gun? GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #193

No. Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #205

The nation is safe enough... krispos42 Apr 2012 #140

I know several women who carry. HALO141 Apr 2012 #244

Definitely no chickens yet and "adjustments" would be good. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #7

I think a tweak might be a good thing. Logical Apr 2012 #8

It would probably involve something like rrneck Apr 2012 #22

Great point! n-t Logical Apr 2012 #34

Excellent point! Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #93

No. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #97

With only 4% or so addicted to carrying guns in public, there is no reason sanity cannot Hoyt Apr 2012 #3

Interesting... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #5

If you're not addicted, that's great news. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #10

You realize that 75% of the public supports concealed carry, yes? TheWraith Apr 2012 #9

72% Really? Where did you pull that number from? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #13

Maybe if you actually read the poll? TheWraith Apr 2012 #26

That poll is very flawed bongbong Apr 2012 #33

I'll take AP/Ipsos' expertise over yours, thanks. TheWraith Apr 2012 #46

Go ahead bongbong Apr 2012 #49

Let me guess, AH1Apache Apr 2012 #57

Nope bongbong Apr 2012 #95

But I bet you would agree with one that came up with an opposite view AH1Apache Apr 2012 #104

Yes! bongbong Apr 2012 #107

Of course you would because it would fit your agenda AH1Apache Apr 2012 #108

Ooops bongbong Apr 2012 #109

Coming form you, that's rich AH1Apache Apr 2012 #112

Yes bongbong Apr 2012 #115

Big difference between supporting CC and supporting laws "allowing" CC permits. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #38

You're attempting to wriggle out of the fact that most Democrats support concealed carry. TheWraith Apr 2012 #47

Bullshit. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #62

One can't be progressive with a progressive stance on 2A freedom. ileus Apr 2012 #15

The 72% is fiction. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #17

Gibberish. n/t ellisonz Apr 2012 #29

I'm a Dem and I don't support concealed carry..nor does mr. shraby. shraby Apr 2012 #16

Well, that's your right. TheWraith Apr 2012 #27

I'm a dem and I support CC and OC and so does miss ileus ileus Apr 2012 #30

+100 Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #45

People with CC permits are extremely safe. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #230

I guess you didn't read the WHOLE article. Hoyt Apr 2012 #35

"we have to keep up the pressure" rl6214 Apr 2012 #20

NOW WE'RE ADDICTED HOYT? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #56

And what have you done to bring this to fruition? oneshooter Apr 2012 #85

Dude, he doesn't have the time to do that shadowrider Apr 2012 #138

I agree mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #4

Well hopefully the Zman case will end up in acquittal ileus Apr 2012 #11

You would hope Zimmerman walks. Self-defense in your mind is shooting people fleeing Hoyt Apr 2012 #36

really...having trouble quoting people again? ileus Apr 2012 #55

He made the same claim about me and when called on it AH1Apache Apr 2012 #60

He claimed a similar lie several weeks ago...SHOP I suppose. ileus Apr 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #65

And obviously AH1Apache Apr 2012 #59

Do you carry a gun prepared to shoot someone in a split second? Hoyt Apr 2012 #127

where's the link? ileus Apr 2012 #142

I'm not even going to answer your dumbass question again. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #145

Wonder how long a pro-RKBA Dem would last at DU who *repeatedly* Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #228

Evening bump...what is that link again? ileus Apr 2012 #187

wow, for somebody who gets so verbose and uppity iverglas Apr 2012 #200

A better suggestion... Clames Apr 2012 #206

isn't it lovely? iverglas Apr 2012 #213

I've learned... Clames Apr 2012 #220

still no link ileus Apr 2012 #101

Link? Thanks... ileus Apr 2012 #216

hello check check...is this thing on? ileus Apr 2012 #221

Aflac or ALEC? Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #48

oh my iverglas Apr 2012 #197

So far this year over 20 NRA supported laws have been passed and signed. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #12

For safety and Americas sake lets hope you're right. ileus Apr 2012 #14

For who's safety? And who's America? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #19

As long as my gun ownership does not threaten your safety hack89 Apr 2012 #24

rude toter... ileus Apr 2012 #31

It threatens everyone's safety, directly or indirectly. Hoyt Apr 2012 #37

So does me owning a car or buying alcohol on a frequent basis hack89 Apr 2012 #42

More logical fallacies bongbong Apr 2012 #111

It is not for alcohol hack89 Apr 2012 #123

Really? bongbong Apr 2012 #125

I have plenty of evidence that murders and other gun violence is at historic lows hack89 Apr 2012 #136

C'mon man, get with the program shadowrider Apr 2012 #139

You have stats. They are not evidence of anything. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #180

So you believe that more guns will produce more violence? hack89 Apr 2012 #181

Ask Trayvon Martin that question. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #183

That is an evasion - not an answer hack89 Apr 2012 #184

not mine...directly or indirectly ileus Apr 2012 #50

How Hoyt. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #63

you're a rude baser gunner toter you don't deserve a response. ileus Apr 2012 #66

Why would your gun ownership threaten my safety? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #58

I would never carry on your private property without permission hack89 Apr 2012 #68

I'll be exercising my 1A rights to alert all in the vicinity. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #72

warning rude toter!!!! ileus Apr 2012 #74

No, I would alert LE that there was an armed individual and let them sort it out. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #99

OMFG AH1Apache Apr 2012 #105

Hopefully I wouldn't know and you would not be embarassed Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #149

So to be clear sarisataka Apr 2012 #152

Exactly! Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #156

A consistent standard sarisataka Apr 2012 #166

I'm striving for a consistent standard. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #175

If you see someone open carrying in Tampa gejohnston Apr 2012 #172

I haven't lived in Tampa since 1980 Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #177

no it was 1893 gejohnston Apr 2012 #179

I got a chuckle out of that. mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #129

And that is fine. I would expect that. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #150

No so mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #189

That's wonderful. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #192

I suppose he'd run up grab and throw them to the ground ileus Apr 2012 #143

Just as someone can do the same to you. I am sure you would be understanding about it. oneshooter Apr 2012 #144

Absolutely they could, but they would be wrong. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #151

Sure. No problem. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #182

How often have you actually done this? You say below that you've spotted CCWers in public; petronius Apr 2012 #176

Why would I be open to legal jeopardy? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #195

I don't think it is arrogance gejohnston Apr 2012 #198

Good point. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #203

not a modern handgun gejohnston Apr 2012 #204

I was meaning in terms of empowerment, not value. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #208

I always though empowerment was a good thing gejohnston Apr 2012 #209

I'm using it in the literal sense, not it's recent psycho-socio-political incarnation Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #214

Please reread your posts 58, 72, and 99 petronius Apr 2012 #202

Sorry if I confused you. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #207

You didn't confuse me, you said two different and mutually exclusive things petronius Apr 2012 #211

I think I was pretty clear Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #215

Why thank you ST. I thought you had me pegged as a aggressive gun packer. oneshooter Apr 2012 #217

I would love to take you up on that. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #218

You mean losers shouldn't carry guns? nt Lost-in-FL Apr 2012 #190

An editorial does not = any increase in gun control rl6214 Apr 2012 #18

"Until you people get organized" Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #21

More feigned ignorance rl6214 Apr 2012 #23

More dodging the question Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #41

"you people" = gun grabbers. nt hack89 Apr 2012 #25

Really? I don't see any gun grabbers here. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #44

Yes - I do consider you a gun grabber hack89 Apr 2012 #51

Well you are wrong. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #67

Until you can prove a harm to society hack89 Apr 2012 #69

Earth to Hack! 11,000 gun deaths is a harm to society. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #71

Which represents a 50 percent decrease since 1990 hack89 Apr 2012 #79

I don't know where you got the 50% decrease since 1990 from Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #83

your graph is outdated gejohnston Apr 2012 #87

I don't think so Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #91

Your chart misses the 6 more years of steady decline since 2004 hack89 Apr 2012 #106

Yawn bongbong Apr 2012 #113

The only thing that he/she is saying is that gun ownership is up while violent crime is down AH1Apache Apr 2012 #116

Nope bongbong Apr 2012 #117

but you are guessing gejohnston Apr 2012 #119

Sure bongbong Apr 2012 #120

he was making a statement of fact gejohnston Apr 2012 #122

Might and may and blah blah blah. Straw Man Apr 2012 #132

There is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rates hack89 Apr 2012 #121

Nope, as always bongbong Apr 2012 #126

Double nope. Straw Man Apr 2012 #133

Just your opinion - unsupported by logic or evidence. hack89 Apr 2012 #137

that graph is interesting Doctor_J Apr 2012 #223

I think the mid-nineties spike was probably more gang related Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #224

Interesting. Straw Man Apr 2012 #225

LOL, uh huh. beevul Apr 2012 #134

Wanna show me where I advocate grabbing/confiscating guns? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #147

It doesn't matter. beevul Apr 2012 #170

Of course it matters Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #174

Indiscriminate. Straw Man Apr 2012 #226

I'm referring to virtually all. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #227

So why the qualifier "indiscriminate" ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #229

Because current laws don't discriminate enough Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #234

Really? Straw Man Apr 2012 #235

The "ludicrous" picture of scattering people is yours, not mine Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #236

So what do you picture? Straw Man Apr 2012 #237

What do I picture? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #238

Different pictures. Straw Man Apr 2012 #239

You would have a heart attack in the church I attend. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #231

How come I would have a heart attack? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #233

as an animist or some kind of undefined theiest, gejohnston Apr 2012 #240

Me too. LOL Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #241

The true gun grabbers are well organized ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #32

Was that last sentence necessary? rrneck Apr 2012 #124

Hahahaha!!!!!!! Major Hogwash Apr 2012 #153

Every dead kid killed by gun nuts increases the numbers of gun grabbers jpak Apr 2012 #160

Backlash jpak Apr 2012 #159

Backlash? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #194

Frontlash! GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #232

Sidelash! ileus Apr 2012 #242