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jpak

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Sun Apr 22, 2012, 09:19 AM Apr 2012

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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/04/guns-everywhere.html

GUNS, EVERYWHERE

Posted by Susannah Griffee

The United States has the highest rate of gun ownership by civilians in the world. Depending on the state, guns may be allowed in churches, on college campuses, and even in bars. In this week’s New Yorker, Jill Lepore writes about the powerful gun lobby and the consequences of America’s attachment to deadly weapons. Below, a look at some of the more unusual—and, arguably, more dangerous—gun laws passed in recent years, and the states that passed them first:

Guns in bars

First state to allow, and when: Tennessee, in 2009.
Other states that now allow: Arizona, Georgia, Virginia, and Ohio have laws specifically allowing guns in bars. Twenty states, including New York and New Jersey, do not address the question at all, conceivably allowing people to carry guns into bars by default.
Fun fact: Tennessee State Representative Curry Todd, the sponsor of the guns-in-bars law, was arrested in October, 2011, on charges of possessing a handgun while driving under the influence of alcohol.

Guns in churches

First state to allow, and when: Not totally clear. (See below.)
Other states that now allow: Guns are allowed in churches in twenty states as part of their “Right to Carry” laws. These laws—versions of them have been enacted in more than forty states—allow people to carry a handgun in public in a concealed manner. These laws typically start from a baseline of applying to all public spaces, but states can, and do, add restrictions for places such as houses of worship, government buildings, and educational institutions. Historically, people were allowed to carry weapons in many states. In the nineteen-twenties and thirties, many states adopted laws that prohibited the unlicensed concealed carrying of a gun. Vermont is the only state that did not adopt any statutes prohibiting or regulating the concealed carry of guns, and has no specific prohibition against carrying guns in churches, so it is, perhaps unintentionally, the first state to allow guns in churches.

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Guns, Everywhere [View all] jpak Apr 2012 OP
Is this the backlash you keep talking about? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #1
Must be. Someone is actually doing something to expand gun rights shadowrider Apr 2012 #3
Sorry , pissing you off with " Opinions " orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #6
*Yawn*. Actual implementation of gun control measures is expanding a cause shadowrider Apr 2012 #8
And just who is getting pissed off AH1Apache Apr 2012 #9
Would seem that those that have more than safeinOhio Apr 2012 #10
2A rights IS a progressive idea shadowrider Apr 2012 #11
I do nothing to support anti-gun causes. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #13
And now Ladies and Gentleman AH1Apache Apr 2012 #2
Lies everywhere... ileus Apr 2012 #4
The NRA , doesn't feel thats enough orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #5
Heh... ellisonz Apr 2012 #54
Good one !! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #56
Do you feel safer yet? DCBob Apr 2012 #7
Sure I do AH1Apache Apr 2012 #12
Of course you do. DCBob Apr 2012 #14
Show me where I said violent crime AH1Apache Apr 2012 #15
Common sense.. DCBob Apr 2012 #16
Apparently you've never gone through a CHL class before AH1Apache Apr 2012 #17
I have no problem with CC'ing for someone reasonable and responsible, which you appear to be. DCBob Apr 2012 #19
You are absolutely correct not everyone is like me. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #20
Quit carrying and supporting more guns in public, and no one will even think you are like that. Hoyt Apr 2012 #28
Hey Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #30
Is that the touch-stone for a Constitutional Right, "reasonable and responsible"? PavePusher Apr 2012 #22
Its something like a "well-regulated militia" DCBob Apr 2012 #26
The milita is and does. PavePusher Apr 2012 #27
Justice Stevens and the other 3 liberals on SC explain it well in dissent to Heller. Hoyt Apr 2012 #31
Stevens is not a liberal gejohnston Apr 2012 #34
The "dissent" is worth a bucket of warm spit DonP Apr 2012 #35
Why should we care what the dissent was? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #36
Because the next case may be with a different mix of Justices. Hoyt Apr 2012 #38
It's now settled law Hoyt. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #40
So, you think a "different mix of judges" will overturn Roe v. Wade too? DonP Apr 2012 #41
Learned impaired of what "regulated militia" means. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #42
C'mon Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #43
CCers have better records than the general public. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #24
Need to compare them to people who could qualify for CCW, but know they don't need a gun. Hoyt Apr 2012 #32
Why Hoyt? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #33
Folks just need to read your posts and consider your attitude. Hoyt Apr 2012 #37
Folks just need to read my posts and consider my attitude? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #39
Actually, you've just rationalized your gun obsession to yourself -- not me. Hoyt Apr 2012 #44
That's not what I said Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #45
After re-reading your post, I've got to say this. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #46
Hoyt, is the sky blue? shadowrider Apr 2012 #49
I sincerely hope AH1Apache Apr 2012 #50
When you walk the streets, you are in the general public. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #47
Man, don't I know it sylvi Apr 2012 #18
As previously stated, the crime stats don't support your assertion. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #23
The government should NOT dictate religious doctrine. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #21
"First state to allow, and when: Not totally clear." PavePusher Apr 2012 #25
Love those conservative Libertarian sources... ellisonz Apr 2012 #55
I have seen little evidence of critical thinking among gun controllers gejohnston Apr 2012 #57
"what evidence do you have the reason had anything to do with slave revolts or Indian attacks?" ellisonz Apr 2012 #58
18th century gejohnston Apr 2012 #61
And my prediction success rate increases. Yay, me. Meh. n.t PavePusher Apr 2012 #59
Your sources are disreputable... ellisonz Apr 2012 #60
Guns, Guns everywhere gejohnston Apr 2012 #29
I support restrictions on concealed carry... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #48
There should never be a reason to carry a concealed firearm in a church ... spin Apr 2012 #51
* chirp chirp* armueller2001 Apr 2012 #52
Yup. Super ninja skills work great in the movies. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #53
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