Gun Control & RKBA

GoneOffShore

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41. You didn't get to the most telling paragraph in the article.

Sun Apr 22, 2012, 01:23 PM

Apr 2012

One that I agree with btw: Bolding mine.

One in three Americans knows someone who has been shot. As long as a candid discussion of guns is impossible, unfettered debate about the causes of violence is unimaginable. Gun-control advocates say the answer to gun violence is fewer guns. Gun-rights advocates say that the answer is more guns: things would have gone better, they suggest, if the faculty at Columbine, Virginia Tech, and Chardon High School had been armed. That is the logic of the concealed-carry movement; that is how armed citizens have come to be patrolling the streets. That is not how civilians live. When carrying a concealed weapon for self-defense is understood not as a failure of civil society, to be mourned, but as an act of citizenship, to be vaunted, there is little civilian life left.

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New Yorker magazine has an interesting article about history of 2nd amendment, NRA and gun control [View all] rgbecker Apr 2012 OP

to "bare" arms has to do with the first amendment - DrDan Apr 2012 #1

LOL! rgbecker Apr 2012 #2

So that grizzly LAR i had Riftaxe Apr 2012 #4

It's an informative read. Thanks for posting. The Wielding Truth Apr 2012 #3

That's definitely a good way to put it. Hoyt Apr 2012 #8

I recommend... Clames Apr 2012 #5

How about gun lovers? rgbecker Apr 2012 #7

Pro-Civil Rights... Clames Apr 2012 #14

My personal favorites are... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #16

Like "gun grabbers" promotes discussion. What apt characterization works for you? Hoyt Apr 2012 #9

I'm not as apt... Clames Apr 2012 #11

Also detaining people he suspects of carrying a firearm so he can check their papers AH1Apache Apr 2012 #32

Hey Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #30

Well mindlessly labeling human beings has worked so well over the years Riftaxe Apr 2012 #22

Interesting part about the NRA paying "scholars" to publish 2nd amendment papers. n-t Logical Apr 2012 #6

Yep. It's corruption and twisted conservatives playing facist games to preserve corp. power. The Wielding Truth Apr 2012 #23

Right wingers push lots of pro-rights safeinOhio Apr 2012 #33

"The people" is every person. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #40

Way to put words in my mouth safeinOhio Apr 2012 #50

Here are your words: Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #54

Not to mention the implied regional bigotry...... PavePusher Apr 2012 #56

The implied regional bigotry safeinOhio Apr 2012 #68

I think you missed the point gejohnston Apr 2012 #69

Thanks for all of the ALEC talking points safeinOhio Apr 2012 #67

Um, you're welcome? Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #70

Actually they didn't gejohnston Apr 2012 #71

Thom Hartman's take on the Second, and I agree. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #72

So then you are going to give up your CHL? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #73

I sure would because safeinOhio Apr 2012 #80

I disagree with him on that gejohnston Apr 2012 #75

I don't think Thom misunderstands the reasons safeinOhio Apr 2012 #81

I think he leaves out gejohnston Apr 2012 #82

It was a collective right until the late 20th century, or 2001 safeinOhio Apr 2012 #85

Heller was individual right gejohnston Apr 2012 #88

1846 case Nunn v. State (1 Ga. 243), if you wish to use that case.... safeinOhio Apr 2012 #96

the ban on knives and pistols was overturned gejohnston Apr 2012 #98

So, the right to carry a concealed weapon safeinOhio Apr 2012 #108

concealed banned weapon gejohnston Apr 2012 #113

Calling something a "talking point" is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #79

When a "talking point" is used, safeinOhio Apr 2012 #87

It still isn't a rebuttal. You are just refusing to discuss. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #89

now prove it came from ALEC gejohnston Apr 2012 #90

NRA along with ALEC safeinOhio Apr 2012 #94

read that article once before gejohnston Apr 2012 #95

I guess this would cancel that out then... safeinOhio Apr 2012 #97

Carl Bogus was funded gejohnston Apr 2012 #99

I use Thom Hartman because you safeinOhio Apr 2012 #107

I meant ask him why gejohnston Apr 2012 #111

You can quit beating that dead horse. It won't get up. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #100

Yes and you have won the "money equals speech" Scalia court safeinOhio Apr 2012 #109

Why do you say that I won the "money equal speech" decision? GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #112

trying to get the gejohnston Apr 2012 #114

Article is in need of some factual background work. Clames Apr 2012 #10

Thanks for clarifying, we definitely need to change that. Hoyt Apr 2012 #12

Except the "we" you are referring to... Clames Apr 2012 #13

So what are you personally doing to change it Hoyt? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #31

Hoyt, Looks like you're being stalked! rgbecker Apr 2012 #35

By whom and for what reason? shadowrider Apr 2012 #36

He won't answer my question or post any links about what I allegedly said AH1Apache Apr 2012 #37

Yes, many of the gun culture here are just cyber Zimmermans. In reality, some may be too. Hoyt Apr 2012 #46

That "reality"... Clames Apr 2012 #52

Hey, you guys would have considered Zimmerman a model gun toter right until he shot unarmed kid. Hoyt Apr 2012 #53

Yeah... Clames Apr 2012 #60

Sure, some guy who believes he needs a gun to walk into public Hoyt Apr 2012 #61

That guy or girl... Clames Apr 2012 #105

I've never seen a "model gun toter" rl6214 Apr 2012 #115

now you have gejohnston Apr 2012 #116

Sickening Union Scribe Apr 2012 #165

Zimmerman, intimidation, Loughner, guns everywhere, etc. -- that's what the gun culture has wrought. Hoyt Apr 2012 #167

get out those spectacles iverglas Apr 2012 #83

Semi-automatic assault weapons were not banned, not the possession, not the transfer rl6214 Apr 2012 #117

and yet it was called the "assault weapons ban" by gun militants ... iverglas Apr 2012 #120

that list would also include the gejohnston Apr 2012 #122

couldn't make much sense of that, sorry iverglas Apr 2012 #123

basiclly gejohnston Apr 2012 #125

I didn't say no Republicans voted for it iverglas Apr 2012 #126

you don't get it gejohnston Apr 2012 #131

you're right iverglas Apr 2012 #134

my point was that gejohnston Apr 2012 #135

you didn't get that point from my post iverglas Apr 2012 #140

NO, it was called the "assault weapons ban" by the anti-gun zealots that wrote it rl6214 Apr 2012 #146

lordy, lordy, lordy iverglas Apr 2012 #148

And with all the silliness you post... Clames Apr 2012 #152

Your technical ignorance... Clames Apr 2012 #121

my lack of interest in your opinion ... iverglas Apr 2012 #124

Quaint. Clames Apr 2012 #127

I actually know all about the ol' AWB iverglas Apr 2012 #128

Well you should surprise us all... Clames Apr 2012 #130

"New Yorker magazine has an interesting article." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #15

Did you read the article??? Logical Apr 2012 #20

Yes I did. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #28

No you didn't, WTF....... Logical Apr 2012 #29

Apparently... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #45

I wonder how people like you ever challenge your minds? I read rightwing stuff all the... Logical Apr 2012 #48

"Some people, like you, don't want your set beliefs challenged I guess." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #49

Why do you have to be so accusatory? rl6214 Apr 2012 #118

Well..... Logical Apr 2012 #119

He didn't say he didn't read the article, he said rl6214 Apr 2012 #147

Statistics suck the big one. RegieRocker Apr 2012 #17

There are various firearms for various purposes. PavePusher Apr 2012 #21

Own a thousand if you like but that RegieRocker Apr 2012 #156

I'm sure you thought you had a point there.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #159

Of course you don't becuase you suffer from the same thing RegieRocker Apr 2012 #168

And that would be....? PavePusher Apr 2012 #169

Exactly... RegieRocker Apr 2012 #170

What "facts"? Where? PavePusher Apr 2012 #172

One last time... RegieRocker Apr 2012 #176

Thank you, I now understand what you meant. PavePusher Apr 2012 #177

No what I am saying is RegieRocker May 2012 #182

I agree. PavePusher May 2012 #183

depends gejohnston Apr 2012 #178

That is a reasonable reply RegieRocker May 2012 #181

you mean the Cincinalti revolt? gejohnston Apr 2012 #18

Seems like it was the DC group that didn't want to see the HQ moved to Colorado. rgbecker Apr 2012 #106

that and gejohnston Apr 2012 #110

She supports many of the posters here... mvccd1000 Apr 2012 #19

I only made it to page 3 of 8... Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #24

Why give up so early unless it just is painful for you to read long articles? How can you base.... Logical Apr 2012 #27

I find I do this more and more often. I know I'm not the only one. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #38

You didn't get to the most telling paragraph in the article. GoneOffShore Apr 2012 #41

Who gets to make that determination, and on what authority? n/a PavePusher Apr 2012 #55

That's not telling at all... Callisto32 Apr 2012 #76

Your opinion and hence by your own argument just as valid as the author's. GoneOffShore Apr 2012 #144

There is one problem with the paragraph gejohnston Apr 2012 #77

Thanks for the personal report. rgbecker Apr 2012 #34

No problem. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #39

A few observations sarisataka Apr 2012 #25

where is the end point of 'reasonable gun control'? shadowrider Apr 2012 #26

After reading this article, I had to do a little research about some of the names. rgbecker Apr 2012 #42

For my part... Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #58

Somehow, I don't think the NRA will be embracing the Democrats. rgbecker Apr 2012 #63

They do for me. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #78

the NRA melm00se Apr 2012 #86

Are you sure Bright is a Democrat? rgbecker Apr 2012 #101

pretty much iverglas Apr 2012 #129

and your problem with her is what? gejohnston Apr 2012 #132

all those issues melm00se Apr 2012 #136

the chance of an anti-gun any party gejohnston Apr 2012 #137

Rural folks melm00se Apr 2012 #138

how clever they are iverglas Apr 2012 #143

you know, if you would just stop when you're behind ... iverglas Apr 2012 #142

there but not here gejohnston Apr 2012 #149

I just never, ever know wtf you are talking about iverglas Apr 2012 #151

The only reason you don't understand wtf gejohnston Apr 2012 #153

why in the fucking hell would you be doing that?? iverglas Apr 2012 #154

MAIG didn't get it from them gejohnston Apr 2012 #155

Ahh yes. The oft played "rating game." beevul Apr 2012 #157

My friends lived in a town of 1068 sarisataka Apr 2012 #158

read the article, did you? iverglas Apr 2012 #139

OK, I have read the whole thing. I want my 20 minutes back. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #43

One of the reasons... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #47

So you are perfectly happy feeling that you "must carry" in order to feel protected? GoneOffShore Apr 2012 #51

I don't carry. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #57

Speaking only for myself... Marengo Apr 2012 #65

Excellent article. Very informative. Thanks. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #44

You insult, then ask for "a little thoughtfulness"..how quaint.. pipoman Apr 2012 #59

I'm sorry I used the term "Gun nuts." rgbecker Apr 2012 #62

"Worked up" and "bear arms" in parenthesis didn't help the tone either. Marengo Apr 2012 #64

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #66

What do you mean "Covertly"? rgbecker Apr 2012 #74

If you're so sorry Union Scribe Apr 2012 #166

excellent article iverglas Apr 2012 #84

That guy is so dumb about guns that he thinks Rimfire is a brand of gun. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #91

that reminds me gejohnston Apr 2012 #92

and what are you on about? iverglas Apr 2012 #104

Actually he is right. Clames Apr 2012 #133

actually you're making just as little sense iverglas Apr 2012 #141

Being unpleasant? Clames Apr 2012 #145

Pot rl6214 Apr 2012 #150

Board vigilante! Remmah2 Apr 2012 #161

Bragging about getting other posters tombstoned rl6214 Apr 2012 #164

Two more related articles by Jill Lepore... Xela Apr 2012 #93

if you have something to say about her "stated point of view" iverglas Apr 2012 #102

And your point is? Remmah2 Apr 2012 #160

you think ... iverglas Apr 2012 #162

It's all about you. Remmah2 Apr 2012 #163

Thanks for the links. rgbecker Apr 2012 #103

Post removed Post removed Apr 2012 #171

If your post gets hidden, I'm going to take that phrase "(subject-X) nuts" to some other forums.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #173

Jury voted 6-0 to hide it. Let us know how that works out for you, re: "(subject-x) nuts" :) Electric Monk Apr 2012 #174

There does seem to be sarisataka Apr 2012 #175

So, was that just an empty threat? Electric Monk Apr 2012 #179

I actually have a life outside of D.U. PavePusher Apr 2012 #180