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Gun Control & RKBA

In reply to the discussion: Guns, Everywhere [View all]

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
24. CCers have better records than the general public.
Sun Apr 22, 2012, 04:39 PM
Apr 2012

Texas annually publishes a list of convictions of people with CHLs along with a breakdown of what the crimes were and also how many convictions were made for the general public. The CCers are extremely law-abiding. For example, in 2009 (Last year data is available) out of 2603 convictions for "Assault with a Deadly Weapon" only 4 were done by CHL holders. 406 murder convictions but only one (1) by a CHL holder.
Texas link: http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/ConvictionRatesReport2009.pdf

Even if you use the VPC's grossly inflated numbers (They list suicides by poison as a CCW killer.) you still get a much lower gun violence rate than the general public.
VPC link:http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/ccwtotalkilled.pdf (WARNING: Very slow PDF load.)
Scroll down some and you will see these two entries:

Michigan
# Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Name Not Provided
SUICIDE
Date: Between July 1, 2008 and June 30, 2009
People Killed: 28
Circumstances: Between July 1, 2008 and June 30, 2009, Michigan State Police report
that 28 Michigan concealed handgun permit holders took their own lives. In their annual
report, the Michigan State Police do not release the victim’s name, the exact date of the
suicide, nor the type of weapon used in the suicide.

Michigan
# Concealed Handgun Permit Holder: Name Not Provided
SUICIDE
Date: Between July 1, 2007 and June 30, 2008
People Killed: 29
Circumstances: Between July 1, 2007 and June 30, 2008, Michigan State Police report
that 29 Michigan concealed handgun permit holders took their own lives. In their annual
report, the Michigan State Police do not release the victim’s name, the exact date of the
suicide, nor the type of weapon used in the suicide.


What do those suicides have to do with CCW? Nothing, but VPC uses them to pad their numbers by 57. Even using VPC's padded numbers CCWers are super safe.

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Guns, Everywhere [View all] jpak Apr 2012 OP
Is this the backlash you keep talking about? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #1
Must be. Someone is actually doing something to expand gun rights shadowrider Apr 2012 #3
Sorry , pissing you off with " Opinions " orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #6
*Yawn*. Actual implementation of gun control measures is expanding a cause shadowrider Apr 2012 #8
And just who is getting pissed off AH1Apache Apr 2012 #9
Would seem that those that have more than safeinOhio Apr 2012 #10
2A rights IS a progressive idea shadowrider Apr 2012 #11
I do nothing to support anti-gun causes. safeinOhio Apr 2012 #13
And now Ladies and Gentleman AH1Apache Apr 2012 #2
Lies everywhere... ileus Apr 2012 #4
The NRA , doesn't feel thats enough orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #5
Heh... ellisonz Apr 2012 #54
Good one !! orpupilofnature57 Apr 2012 #56
Do you feel safer yet? DCBob Apr 2012 #7
Sure I do AH1Apache Apr 2012 #12
Of course you do. DCBob Apr 2012 #14
Show me where I said violent crime AH1Apache Apr 2012 #15
Common sense.. DCBob Apr 2012 #16
Apparently you've never gone through a CHL class before AH1Apache Apr 2012 #17
I have no problem with CC'ing for someone reasonable and responsible, which you appear to be. DCBob Apr 2012 #19
You are absolutely correct not everyone is like me. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #20
Quit carrying and supporting more guns in public, and no one will even think you are like that. Hoyt Apr 2012 #28
Hey Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #30
Is that the touch-stone for a Constitutional Right, "reasonable and responsible"? PavePusher Apr 2012 #22
Its something like a "well-regulated militia" DCBob Apr 2012 #26
The milita is and does. PavePusher Apr 2012 #27
Justice Stevens and the other 3 liberals on SC explain it well in dissent to Heller. Hoyt Apr 2012 #31
Stevens is not a liberal gejohnston Apr 2012 #34
The "dissent" is worth a bucket of warm spit DonP Apr 2012 #35
Why should we care what the dissent was? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #36
Because the next case may be with a different mix of Justices. Hoyt Apr 2012 #38
It's now settled law Hoyt. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #40
So, you think a "different mix of judges" will overturn Roe v. Wade too? DonP Apr 2012 #41
Learned impaired of what "regulated militia" means. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #42
C'mon Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #43
CCers have better records than the general public. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #24
Need to compare them to people who could qualify for CCW, but know they don't need a gun. Hoyt Apr 2012 #32
Why Hoyt? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #33
Folks just need to read your posts and consider your attitude. Hoyt Apr 2012 #37
Folks just need to read my posts and consider my attitude? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #39
Actually, you've just rationalized your gun obsession to yourself -- not me. Hoyt Apr 2012 #44
That's not what I said Hoyt AH1Apache Apr 2012 #45
After re-reading your post, I've got to say this. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #46
Hoyt, is the sky blue? shadowrider Apr 2012 #49
I sincerely hope AH1Apache Apr 2012 #50
When you walk the streets, you are in the general public. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #47
Man, don't I know it sylvi Apr 2012 #18
As previously stated, the crime stats don't support your assertion. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #23
The government should NOT dictate religious doctrine. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #21
"First state to allow, and when: Not totally clear." PavePusher Apr 2012 #25
Love those conservative Libertarian sources... ellisonz Apr 2012 #55
I have seen little evidence of critical thinking among gun controllers gejohnston Apr 2012 #57
"what evidence do you have the reason had anything to do with slave revolts or Indian attacks?" ellisonz Apr 2012 #58
18th century gejohnston Apr 2012 #61
And my prediction success rate increases. Yay, me. Meh. n.t PavePusher Apr 2012 #59
Your sources are disreputable... ellisonz Apr 2012 #60
Guns, Guns everywhere gejohnston Apr 2012 #29
I support restrictions on concealed carry... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #48
There should never be a reason to carry a concealed firearm in a church ... spin Apr 2012 #51
* chirp chirp* armueller2001 Apr 2012 #52
Yup. Super ninja skills work great in the movies. (n/t) spin Apr 2012 #53
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