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In reply to the discussion: Florida: Man shot dead at Edison Mall [View all]ellisonz
(27,776 posts)68. The reports aren't quite clear...
Mueller said the shooting involved a legally purchased Glock 9-millimeter, a semiautomatic pistol. Loughner allegedly fired all 31 bullets in the magazine and was reloading when a woman in the crowd, already wounded, attempted to grab the gun from him. He finally changed the magazine and tried to fire, authorities said, but the gun jammed. Meanwhile, two men from the crowd grabbed him and subdued him, according to officials.
http://www.mlive.com/news/us-world/index.ssf/2011/01/charges_filed_against_jared_le.html
A woman tried to grab the gun from Loughner as he reloaded. Two others grabbed him as the second magazine jammed, Dupnick said.
The woman, who was later identified as Patricia Maisch, was wounded while "trying to get the gun away from him," Dupnik said Sunday morning. Later, authorities said Maisch was uninjured.
Deputy Jason Ogan gave the following account:
Maisch was at the event, in the rear of the line, waiting to take a photograph with Rep. Giffords when the suspect began shooting.
When the suspect tried to load a fresh magazine into his weapon, Maisch was able to grab the bottom of the magazine and prevent it from being inserted. This pause in shooting allowed for two men, Roger Salzgeber and Bill D. Badger, to tackle the suspect to the ground and restrain him until deputies arrived.
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/010911_loughner_suspect/fbi-director-loughner-suspect-giffords-shooting-rampage/
Deputy Sheriff Thomas Audetat, a chiseled former Marine with three tours in Iraq to his credit, dug his knee into the gangly young mans back and cuffed him. With the aid of another deputy, he relieved the heroic civilians of their charge and began searching for weapons other than the Glock semiautomatic pistol, secured nearby under a civilians foot, that had just fired 31 rounds.
In the left front pocket, two 15-round magazines. In the right front pocket, a black, four-inch folding knife. Are there any other weapons on you? Deputy Audetat recalled demanding.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.mlive.com/news/us-world/index.ssf/2011/01/charges_filed_against_jared_le.html
A woman tried to grab the gun from Loughner as he reloaded. Two others grabbed him as the second magazine jammed, Dupnick said.
The woman, who was later identified as Patricia Maisch, was wounded while "trying to get the gun away from him," Dupnik said Sunday morning. Later, authorities said Maisch was uninjured.
Deputy Jason Ogan gave the following account:
Maisch was at the event, in the rear of the line, waiting to take a photograph with Rep. Giffords when the suspect began shooting.
When the suspect tried to load a fresh magazine into his weapon, Maisch was able to grab the bottom of the magazine and prevent it from being inserted. This pause in shooting allowed for two men, Roger Salzgeber and Bill D. Badger, to tackle the suspect to the ground and restrain him until deputies arrived.
http://www.tucsonsentinel.com/local/report/010911_loughner_suspect/fbi-director-loughner-suspect-giffords-shooting-rampage/
Deputy Sheriff Thomas Audetat, a chiseled former Marine with three tours in Iraq to his credit, dug his knee into the gangly young mans back and cuffed him. With the aid of another deputy, he relieved the heroic civilians of their charge and began searching for weapons other than the Glock semiautomatic pistol, secured nearby under a civilians foot, that had just fired 31 rounds.
In the left front pocket, two 15-round magazines. In the right front pocket, a black, four-inch folding knife. Are there any other weapons on you? Deputy Audetat recalled demanding.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16loughner.html?pagewanted=all
He had two other magazines with him, besides the two extended clips. The chain of events in between him stopping firing and being tackled aren't quite clear. The stories aren't consistent, and the fact remains that without the high-capacity mags he probably doesn't cause as much carnage.
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I was there last night to pick my mother up from last minute Christmas shopping.
William769
Dec 2011
#1
They had virtually the same gun homicide rate *before* substantive gun control
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#15
"...Japanese reporting - but imagine it'd still be much lower than ours." And you'd be wrong.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#23
"I think the definition should be left to people who actually know what they are talking about"
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#59
Apparently so. Our *non* gun homicide rate strips most european countries *total* homicide rates. nt
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#32
"If you wanted to kill someone and didn't have access to a gun, you'd just use a common object"
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#60
"There is no doubt that fewer firearms in circulation will mean fewer deaths."
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#120
"I'll live with the higher crime rate so that I can enjoy the right to own firearms as I will."
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#139
So I guess when the Constitution says "the people" they don't mean individuals...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#191
You're not making sense now.. nobody said 'the people' in any of the previous replies..
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#193
When you misrepresent the words of other posters , thats what you get hereabouts, concerned people.
beevul
Dec 2011
#190
What would one need a 30 round magazine for realistically that's a legitimate use?
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#14
Unless one prefers that criminals be forced to reload, banning them is rather pointless.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#20
Answer me this: What do you think is an adequate mag capacity to repeal a dangerous person?
aikoaiko
Dec 2011
#27
I see you don't like your own math. You are fine with 12 rounds for a single intruder,
aikoaiko
Dec 2011
#36
It wasn't GWB that did much for the RKBA. It was individual states and the SCOTUS who did the most.
aikoaiko
Dec 2011
#81
"And the toothpaste is out of the tube for the guns & magazines previously covered by the so-called"
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#57
Grenade launchers are legal too. It is the grenades that are controlled. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Dec 2011
#70
A better question would be, why does only one special weapons element of a single miltiary
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2011
#172
They're agricultural implements, regulated by burn codes. Not the NFA or firearms law.
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#130
"militia... trained up to military standard quickly?" That means full-auto, right? nt
SteveW
Dec 2011
#170
And everytime I read posts such as the ones that profligate around here I think of...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#45
No, anyone with a reasonable knowledge of history and the ability to spell "Google"....
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#115
Profligate doesn't mean what you think it means. Perhaps you intended "propagate"?
Fair Witness
Dec 2011
#136