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Common Sense Party

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59. Even if he wasn't returning to his car, I don't see how that, in and of itself,

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 01:24 PM

Apr 2012

constitutes "starting a fight." He's part of a neighborhood watch, he thinks a kid might be up to no good, he called the cops, and he was trying to see where the kid had gone so he can direct the cops to where he is. Up to this point, he has committed no crime.

Now, what happened AFTER that point, up until the gunshot, is a matter of great dispute and those few moments are going to determine if Zimmerman is guilty of murder or not.

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Revive sensible gun laws in US [View all] SecularMotion Apr 2012 OP

SYG has nothing to do with gun laws gejohnston Apr 2012 #1

SYG = Shoot Your Gun SecularMotion Apr 2012 #3

SYG has nothing to do with Zimmerman gejohnston Apr 2012 #7

You can't start the fight and then claim self-defense. SecularMotion Apr 2012 #13

Actually, you can. Here is how it works. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #14

Is there a legal case to support that? SecularMotion Apr 2012 #16

Yes, lots of it. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #26

I asked for a specific case SecularMotion Apr 2012 #27

I'm not a lawyer. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author AH1Apache Apr 2012 #15

is there evidence that Zimmerman started a fight? gejohnston Apr 2012 #17

He confronted Trayvon without any legal authority to do so. SecularMotion Apr 2012 #18

what evidence do you have of that? gejohnston Apr 2012 #21

Don't mistake me for defending Zimmerman AH1Apache Apr 2012 #23

There's a thin line between "confront" and "looking for a fight" SecularMotion Apr 2012 #30

you are assuming facts not in evidence gejohnston Apr 2012 #33

WRONG! Spoonman Apr 2012 #41

Confronting could be yelling at him from 20 yards aay rl6214 Apr 2012 #57

If indeed zimmerman was returning to his car when confronted by Martin and rl6214 Apr 2012 #56

Even if he wasn't returning to his car, I don't see how that, in and of itself, Common Sense Party Apr 2012 #59

I recommed Aikido ileus Apr 2012 #28

It's too bad the gun nuts don't agree SecularMotion Apr 2012 #29

and for those of us who are not in our gejohnston Apr 2012 #32

we have adult class.... ileus Apr 2012 #44

My natural fighting skills can beat your aikaido. nt rrneck Apr 2012 #35

That's why I carry my PSD...just in case. ileus Apr 2012 #40

I agree. rrneck Apr 2012 #43

maybe remove my front wheel from my bike.... ileus Apr 2012 #45

Won't happen. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #2

NRA talking points SecularMotion Apr 2012 #4

Calling something a "talking point" is not a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #6

NRA talking points? AH1Apache Apr 2012 #8

refuting??? discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #31

"I see no problem with FL's SYG law that a little tweaking won't fix. " Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #19

I'll leave that to the FL. legislatures AH1Apache Apr 2012 #24

My take on it Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #34

If you are going to make every self-defense case a court case... Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #36

You propose a fair solution when you say ... spin Apr 2012 #58

I'm not a lawyer and I have not stayed in a Holiday Inn Express gejohnston Apr 2012 #42

Good post AH1Apache Apr 2012 #49

We do seem to learn more sarisataka Apr 2012 #53

I agree AH1Apache Apr 2012 #54

Most states do have sensible gun laws. GreenStormCloud Apr 2012 #5

The National Right to Carry Reciprocity Act of 2012 aims to weaken any sensible state laws SecularMotion Apr 2012 #9

I believe AH1Apache Apr 2012 #11

Most states have basically the same laws. TheWraith Apr 2012 #12

VPC talking point shadowrider Apr 2012 #46

How do the criminals acquire their guns? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #22

within ten years? gejohnston Apr 2012 #25

Good luck. Three quarters of Americans support the right to armed self defense. TheWraith Apr 2012 #10

They also support restrictions on purchasing guns and carrying guns in public SecularMotion Apr 2012 #38

the restrictions named have been law for quite sometime gejohnston Apr 2012 #39

That's FUNNY! bongbong Apr 2012 #48

no, the signs exist gejohnston Apr 2012 #51

Which do you mean? sarisataka Apr 2012 #55

Flawed poll bongbong Apr 2012 #47

This thread was pretty civil until you came along. AH1Apache Apr 2012 #50

Yep bongbong Apr 2012 #60

Too easy. Clames Apr 2012 #52

They've been looking for a reason to reverse progress... ileus Apr 2012 #20