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In reply to the discussion: As the pendulum swings, we see a glimpse of sanity on the horizon [View all]Straw Man
(6,954 posts)237. So what do you picture?
The "ludicrous" picture of scattering people is yours, not mine
How else would they avoid the "man with a gun"?
No your background check means little to me and has nothing to do with "demonstrable need".
You have yet to define "demonstrable need." I would suggest to you that the burden is on the powers-that-be to demonstrate that I am a threat to society before they can circumscribe my rights. In any case, that's my view of the role of government. Apparently it's one that you don't share.
All guns in public are a potential threat to public safety. I prefer to be able to see potential dangers, so they may be avoided. Call me crazy.
I don't know about crazy, but I would call that an unreasonable fear. Do you get queasy walking through crowds, knowing that there might be people carrying concealed weapons? It could happen anywhere, you know -- even in Merry Old England.
Permits would be issued for specific purposes and restrictions may apply.
For example? What "specific purpose" would be sufficient, in your estimation? What restrictions would be appropriate?
I find the concept of routinely carrying a gun for self defense laughable, but I'm still working to find a solution that allows you to assuage your fears and the public to retain some safety.
You're entitled to your own sources of amusement, as long as your sense of humor doesn't impinge on my rights. However, the latter is clearly what you would like to do. I don't routinely carry a gun, but I appreciate the fact that I can be the one to determine when it is appropriate, within the parameters of the licensing authority and the laws of my state. I live in one of the most restrictive of the 50 states in regard to handgun possession, yet you would raise the bar still higher to assuage your own unreasonable fears. I trust myself to carry a firearm, and the State of New York trusts me. Why would I ever want to substitute your fear-driven and authoritarian strictures for my own good judgement?
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As the pendulum swings, we see a glimpse of sanity on the horizon [View all]
Starboard Tack
Apr 2012
OP
These gun culture folks are often disgusting. They'd sacrifice a bunch of innocents
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#128
You do know that gun sales to women is one of the fastest growing segments, right?
DonP
Apr 2012
#75
Also, Harley Davidson is having functions in their stores targeted (no pun... ) to women.
Lost-in-FL
Apr 2012
#86
Apparently you haven't been paying attention...Women are among the fastest growing demographics
S_B_Jackson
Apr 2012
#76
The poster to whom I was answering didn't take offense, so you have no reason
shadowrider
Apr 2012
#164
"I basically find duty to retreat as fundamentally unjust in many ways."
Simo 1939_1940
Apr 2012
#163
At least I understand it enough to know that it didn't even apply to Zimmy guy.
Lost-in-FL
Apr 2012
#102
Nevermind that I have nothing against responsible gun ownership as I stated a few...
Lost-in-FL
Apr 2012
#188
With only 4% or so addicted to carrying guns in public, there is no reason sanity cannot
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#3
Big difference between supporting CC and supporting laws "allowing" CC permits.
Starboard Tack
Apr 2012
#38
You're attempting to wriggle out of the fact that most Democrats support concealed carry.
TheWraith
Apr 2012
#47
You would hope Zimmerman walks. Self-defense in your mind is shooting people fleeing
Hoyt
Apr 2012
#36
So far this year over 20 NRA supported laws have been passed and signed.
GreenStormCloud
Apr 2012
#12
I have plenty of evidence that murders and other gun violence is at historic lows
hack89
Apr 2012
#136
No, I would alert LE that there was an armed individual and let them sort it out.
Starboard Tack
Apr 2012
#99
Just as someone can do the same to you. I am sure you would be understanding about it.
oneshooter
Apr 2012
#144
How often have you actually done this? You say below that you've spotted CCWers in public;
petronius
Apr 2012
#176
I'm using it in the literal sense, not it's recent psycho-socio-political incarnation
Starboard Tack
Apr 2012
#214
The only thing that he/she is saying is that gun ownership is up while violent crime is down
AH1Apache
Apr 2012
#116