Gun Control & RKBA

iverglas

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154. why in the fucking hell would you be doing that??

Tue Apr 24, 2012, 10:20 PM

Apr 2012

I'm still looking for a RCMP or some other official study that shows Canada's crime guns are smuggled from the US exclusively.

Has anybody ever CLAIMED that Canada's crime guns are smuggled from the US exclusively??

NO.

But it's funny how you seem to be trying to make somebody believe that somebody has claimed that.

I have posted, over and over and over and over down the years, that the proportions of traceable crime guns in Toronto, for example, are roughly equal between guns trafficked in from the US and guns stolen within Canada. Numbers are small so variations may be noticeable year over year: if there have been a couple of big heists from "collectors" near Toronto, the stolen-in-Canada rate over the next little while might be higher, etc.

Why on earth would you be looking for a study that will never exist because the conclusion you want it to reach would exist only in bizarro land?

MAIG and similar groups are full of shit.

Oh, well, there we have it.

And the US federal govt statistics it analyzes just don't exist.

Right.

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New Yorker magazine has an interesting article about history of 2nd amendment, NRA and gun control [View all] rgbecker Apr 2012 OP

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