Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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109. Why don't you trudge on over to the grocery store in question...

Sat Apr 28, 2012, 04:55 PM

Apr 2012

Why don't you trudge on over to the grocery store in question, and ask people there - You know, the ones that were present during the stabbings, rather than the ones playing momday morning tough guy on the internet - if they wish that the person who put an end to the stabbings hadn't had a gun.

Oh, thats right, what THEY think doesnt matter...only what YOU think matters...

On edit:

"officers had high praise for the gun carrying man, who ended the hysteria. (unnamed officer in the video) "This was a really volatile situation that could have gotten even worse, I mean, we can only assume that judging from what we saw it could have gotten alot worse so He (the good samaritan) was definitely in the right place at the right time."

"Dozens of other shoppers, who too could have become victims, are also thankful for the gun carrying man. And many, like Danylle Julian, are still in shock from the experience. "Scary actually. Really scary. Five minutes before I walk out to my car. It could have been me."

Guess you needn't ask them now, eh?

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Gun carrying man ends stabbing spree at Salt Lake grocery store [View all] Marengo Apr 2012 OP

Child brings loaded gun to Daisy Bates Elementary bowens43 Apr 2012 #1

Bowens43, your reply appears to be extemporaneous slackmaster Apr 2012 #2

The relevance is obvious to most of us. Anecdotes selected for emotional impact don't MEAN anything saras Apr 2012 #5

Actually, that is not true. All it takes is one fact to disprove a theory. Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #6

Thankfully the crazy wasn't carrying one of the guns the gun culture loves. Hoyt Apr 2012 #11

Of course you would have disarmed him with some pork and beans then rl6214 Apr 2012 #13

Never, ever, bring a knife to a gunfight. shadowrider Apr 2012 #26

Or a staff or can of pork and beans rl6214 Apr 2012 #72

Vienna sausages would be better. Smaller can, more reload. shadowrider Apr 2012 #106

good thing I wasn't drinking anything when I clicked on your post rl6214 Apr 2012 #120

How many people carry staffs? TPaine7 Apr 2012 #16

"Ram a staff into his face"...LOL beevul Apr 2012 #19

point! discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #20

Better than carrying a silly gun. Hoyt Apr 2012 #25

You must really believe... Clames Apr 2012 #31

And you must believe you are powerless, and threats to you are more Hoyt Apr 2012 #34

Powerless? Clames Apr 2012 #38

Bull, probably could have yelled "stop I have a gun" and stopped the whole thing. Hoyt Apr 2012 #41

Sometimes bluffing works, sometimes it does not. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #44

Agreed. All CCW guns should be serious. n/t TPaine7 Apr 2012 #32

A "silly gun" stopped this attacker, not a staff or a can of beans Marengo Apr 2012 #37

A pretty girl probably would have stopped him too. Live in fear if you like. Hoyt Apr 2012 #42

You are suggesting a "pretty girl" would have been as effective as the firearm... Marengo Apr 2012 #48

and if the robber was gay gejohnston Apr 2012 #51

Well, you'd have to improvise. Hoyt Apr 2012 #52

"A pretty girl probably would have stopped him too." How disgusting of you. beevul Apr 2012 #112

Back in the day if there was a dual rl6214 Apr 2012 #73

Why don't you trudge on over to the grocery store in question... beevul Apr 2012 #109

Then they interviewed someone named Hoyt who said shadowrider Apr 2012 #110

You too, ask victims if they are glad perp didn't have guns like you. Hoyt Apr 2012 #113

To whom are you referring as the perp? The guy with the knife or the guy with the gun? shadowrider Apr 2012 #115

The guy with a knife- who luckily didn't have a gun or victims would be dead (maybe the hero too). Hoyt Apr 2012 #117

Why don't you ask them if they are glad the perp didn't have guns like those you covet? Hoyt Apr 2012 #111

What guns do I covet, hoyt? beevul Apr 2012 #114

Your post wins Mall Ninja response of the year Taitertots Apr 2012 #39

Actually I worked in a store once where a woman -- who slipped out of a psych unit pulled a butcher Hoyt Apr 2012 #43

Exactly, you have NEVER faced off with someone trying to kill you Taitertots Apr 2012 #45

And what situation have you faced where a gun would have made a difference. Hoyt Apr 2012 #46

I've never faced off with a knife wielding maniac. If I did, a gun would make a difference Taitertots Apr 2012 #53

That "murderous maniac" crud is your problem. Hoyt Apr 2012 #55

I don't carry, but I'm not going to pretend they are not effective self-defense weapons Taitertots Apr 2012 #63

Uh, sure you have... rl6214 Apr 2012 #74

Well, I've been through a lot -- yet I still can go outside without a gun or imagining all kinds of Hoyt Apr 2012 #79

Nah, you just pack your can of pork and beans and your walking stick rl6214 Apr 2012 #119

Not a walking stick, a staff. Big difference. Hoyt Apr 2012 #121

maybe you can get a US chapter going gejohnston Apr 2012 #122

That is playing - I'm not talking sparring. Hoyt Apr 2012 #127

You need a special vehicle just to transport that to the mall. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #132

Reading your posts, we've all been through a lot. nt Union Scribe Apr 2012 #129

Pledge to leave your guns at home, and l'm gone. Hoyt Apr 2012 #130

I don't own a gun and I pledge not to carry any Union Scribe Apr 2012 #147

Ahem! Union Scribe Apr 2012 #153

As a gun DID stop this attack, it seems "toting" was certainly the answer in this situation. Marengo Apr 2012 #49

I've only seen actors in movies carrying staffs in public ... spin Apr 2012 #94

And you go to the store with a staff? Do you open carry, or conceal it? oneshooter Apr 2012 #157

OK, Gandalf. HALO141 May 2012 #158

A taser would have worked just as well in this case. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #84

don't you need a CCW for a Taser? gejohnston Apr 2012 #89

No idea, but they are perfect for such situations. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #92

they were under the same strict gejohnston Apr 2012 #95

LOL. Doubt if I'll be taking any weapons anywhere. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #100

Sword canes are concealed weapons in many juristitions and require a CCL rl6214 Apr 2012 #133

I know. Isn't it amazing? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #140

If he had one Meiko Apr 2012 #139

Yeah, I know. Makes one wonder doesn't it? Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #141

according to some of the older gejohnston Apr 2012 #142

Sorry. I wasn't being serious about sword canes. Starboard Tack Apr 2012 #145

Tasers are good tools HALO141 May 2012 #159

Is there some reason you feel so vulnerable? Starboard Tack May 2012 #160

Personal experience. HALO141 May 2012 #161

Wow! Starboard Tack May 2012 #162

why? gejohnston May 2012 #164

They do mean... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #9

It ignores the point and tries to negate it by showing bad people do bad things with guns Atypical Liberal Apr 2012 #7

nothing like a game of knife, paper, pistol. ileus Apr 2012 #3

Why didn't the knife wielder take the gun TPaine7 Apr 2012 #4

And all the other Rude Toters sylvi Apr 2012 #15

Exactly. I forgot about the circular firing squads that happen every time there is a public DGU. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #17

Nice to see not all of us democrats are anti-gun nutjobs. Alphados Apr 2012 #90

Welcome to DU I saw on another thread where you think Freepers have above average IQs. Hoyt Apr 2012 #93

Glad it ended with not too many hurt. Glad the crazy guy didn't have some of the guns popular here. Hoyt Apr 2012 #8

"Of course, someone with a knife can be stopped without a gun." discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #10

I would chip in for the PPV of that. nt Union Scribe Apr 2012 #28

I started to say that I would pay to see Hoyt back up those words, but TPaine7 Apr 2012 #30

I don't think... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #36

I would not be killed. I might have to run away, and try something else. Hoyt Apr 2012 #50

Are you Usain Bolt? If so, I will concede that running away would certainly work. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #108

Not that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #35

You say, "someone with a knife can be stopped without a gun" ... spin Apr 2012 #14

Of course they can Meiko Apr 2012 #22

I bet you've never seen a pissed off Filipina with a butterfly knife shadowrider Apr 2012 #27

I've seen a few craziest with a knife in an ER and I've seen Zimmermans. Hoyt Apr 2012 #29

TV and movies don't count. Clames Apr 2012 #33

Yeah, for real. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #58

Nah. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #57

I'm looking straight at your eyes when I say that. You just can't Hoyt Apr 2012 #60

If you're looking in my eyes, get out of my yard. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #124

With quite an active imagination rl6214 Apr 2012 #76

Coming from someone who imagines all kinds of threats, boogiemen, etc. -- requiring a gun. Hoyt Apr 2012 #77

How can you say that? I have NEVER posted anything like that soooo rl6214 Apr 2012 #118

Famous last words Taitertots Apr 2012 #40

I'm still here and don't have to dress around a gun. Hoyt Apr 2012 #61

When was the last time you disarmed a determined attacker w/ a knife? Taitertots Apr 2012 #64

When have you faced one? Never. Hoyt Apr 2012 #65

I'm also not the one claiming I could do it with a can of beans Taitertots Apr 2012 #66

Since you supposedly don't carry, what are you going to do if you run into a "maniac?" Hoyt Apr 2012 #67

"The best form of self defense is to point a gun at a potential attacker," Taitertots Apr 2012 #68

I saw that, and if one is a selfish right winger, it is probably true. I tend to take a broader Hoyt Apr 2012 #70

Lol, squirm all you want, guns are effective self-defense weapons Taitertots Apr 2012 #75

I did not say "superior" -- but clearly other options are better for society as a whole. Hoyt Apr 2012 #78

The "other options" are non-sense that only Mall ninjas buy into Taitertots Apr 2012 #80

Sure, more Zimmermans and Loughners running around are exactly what we need. Hoyt Apr 2012 #81

I'm not naive enough to think that taking a gun out of a maniacs hands means they are not dangerous Taitertots Apr 2012 #82

A little old lady took Loughner out. I'm heading out to practice throwing cans of beans. Hoyt Apr 2012 #83

she took him out after gejohnston Apr 2012 #86

Right after she watched helplessly as he shot 19 people n/t Taitertots Apr 2012 #87

Like you would have pulled out a gun and squeezed off a shot to take Loughner down Hoyt Apr 2012 #96

The fact is she was helpless while he shot 19 people, totally helpless Taitertots Apr 2012 #99

Like I said, you would not have gotten a shot off -- but dream on. Who knows, someday you might be Hoyt Apr 2012 #102

Someone with a gun has a chance, someone with beans watches as 19 innocent people get shot Taitertots Apr 2012 #103

Well, there were packers around that day and the only one that got a shot off was Loughner. Hoyt Apr 2012 #104

"Around", but not in any way close enough to do anything about it Taitertots Apr 2012 #105

Packers around where? Oh yeah, he was in the store well away from what was happening rl6214 Apr 2012 #134

You won't get Hoyt to answer any question. I once asked him what color the sky is shadowrider Apr 2012 #107

interesting gejohnston Apr 2012 #69

If a can of beans works for a woman, it ought to work for you. Hoyt Apr 2012 #71

or just pop open a container of gejohnston Apr 2012 #85

Nice sexism, there. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #125

She displayed more guts than most who carry like Zimmerman. Hoyt Apr 2012 #126

There are no Zimmermans here so you can cut it out Union Scribe Apr 2012 #128

You would have said Zimmerman was a law-abiding toter, until he shot unarmed teen Hoyt Apr 2012 #131

Who? rl6214 Apr 2012 #136

Bull -- surely you've seen some posts here where right wingers said such things. Hoyt Apr 2012 #138

Point one out to me,,just one rl6214 Apr 2012 #156

He won't answer a yes or no question on what color the sky is shadowrider May 2012 #163

Never do from that one, just smart alecky nonsense rl6214 May 2012 #165

I have yet to see anyone thinking he is worthy of an NRA board appointment but gejohnston Apr 2012 #137

Until he shot an unarmed teen I didn't know him Union Scribe Apr 2012 #148

Well, I guess you know the rest of the 14 Million or so toters who the gun culture claims are fine Hoyt Apr 2012 #149

You're pretty desperately grasping at straws now Union Scribe Apr 2012 #152

Every post from here on is going to have zimmerman in it rl6214 Apr 2012 #135

I think he's obssessed with Zimmerman now DonP Apr 2012 #144

Zimmerman is the poster boy for a law-abiding, good guy gun toter -- Gone bad. Hoyt Apr 2012 #150

what if a jury says you and convetional wisdom are wrong? gejohnston Apr 2012 #151

It's very possible a few bigoted gun lovers end up in jury pool. Hoyt Apr 2012 #154

Are you going to leave or not? I've taken your pledge. Union Scribe Apr 2012 #155

But people NEVER use knives in mass assaults rl6214 Apr 2012 #12

This is why we need not only gun control, but knife, fist and feet control as well. TPaine7 Apr 2012 #18

Wait, you want to take away my "natural fighting ability" too!!! WTF? cleanhippie Apr 2012 #21

Yes. I want to take away your independence of thought, too. Bad thoughts are the root of TPaine7 Apr 2012 #24

Why Meiko Apr 2012 #23

Has anyone seen this covered sarisataka Apr 2012 #47

I'm sure it's all the rage on Free Republic and Storm Front, along with Zimmerman. Hoyt Apr 2012 #54

I thought the NRA sarisataka Apr 2012 #56

If that happened, even that pos Hannity would say, "dang this gun crap has gone too far. " Hoyt Apr 2012 #59

no Callisto32 Apr 2012 #62

Of course not. The media defends the First Amendment ... spin Apr 2012 #91

Proof that not all of us democrats are anti-gun nutjobs. Alphados Apr 2012 #88

Nothing excites the pro-gunners like a good DGU story! DanTex Apr 2012 #97

And nothing seems to generate more absurdity from the anti CCW crew Marengo Apr 2012 #98

But those posts are entertaining from a Hollywood script point of view. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #101

You forgot bicycle wheels and helmets: friendly_iconoclast Apr 2012 #143

Nothing excites the pro-restrictionist like the rare GZ/TM story that Simo 1939_1940 Apr 2012 #116

Dan says, "When you can't be substantive, be insulting." Straw Man Apr 2012 #123

Yeah...nothing like a good DGU story... Clames Apr 2012 #146