Gun Control & RKBA

iverglas

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36. it ain't just you

Mon Apr 30, 2012, 08:42 AM

Apr 2012

Take a possibly criminal tragedy and make it all about the gunz. Common pattern.

I once had to read the details of the post mortem examinations done on the 14 women killed by Marc Lépine in the "Montreal massacre". I actually didn't make it all the way through. The descriptions of the paths travelled by bullets ricocheting around inside a body and the damage they did as they passed through ...

But the genuinely heartbreaking aspect was the listing of the clothing and personal effects with the bodies. One pair white socks, blue pullover sweater ...

Actual people, living and breathing and wearing white socks and carrying their books in a backpack, until the bullets did their work. The sort of thing that normal people weep when they read, no matter who the victim. Death in its matter-of-fact details isn't something that ordinary people generally deal in.

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Ammo Selection [View all] Meiko Apr 2012 OP

my guess he bought gejohnston Apr 2012 #1

Apparently he bought it to deal with a pit bull in the neighborhood Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #42

According to the Reuters article, gejohnston Apr 2012 #43

In the absence of you knowing about an exit wound, he must have used Federal Brand Hydra Shok? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #2

Not at all ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #69

That's what I'm thinking. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #72

My opinion Meiko May 2012 #100

So what do toters here use in case they have to shoot a raving maniac Hoyt Apr 2012 #3

Well, I don't know many who own firearms who make such a fine distinction, but to satisfy your. S_B_Jackson Apr 2012 #6

The best expanding bullet you can buy... krispos42 Apr 2012 #7

I agree, kill with as much gore as possible. The guys at the bar love it. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #23

Gore Meiko Apr 2012 #29

Ummm, "detonates reliably"? Seriously? PavePusher Apr 2012 #46

The primer and powder. Misfires or squib loads are bad news. n/t Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #49

Argh, my bad. PavePusher Apr 2012 #51

:-) krispos42 Apr 2012 #57

the best person to ask about unarmed teenagers gejohnston Apr 2012 #8

Speer Gold Dots, same as the local police department. ManiacJoe Apr 2012 #10

It varies Meiko Apr 2012 #11

How many folks are you shooting? Jeeez, I can't remember what brand of banjo Hoyt Apr 2012 #13

the print on ammo boxes tends to be bigger gejohnston Apr 2012 #17

Not surprising ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #18

Shooting is not really a "sport." Besides, we are talking ammo for self-defense guns. Hoyt Apr 2012 #30

It is a sport, your opinion to the contrary not withstanding ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #37

Then, why are there so many out-of-shape shooters? Hoyt Apr 2012 #54

As compared to those competing in Olympic Curling for example? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #68

You don't have to have bulging muscles and 4% body fat to engage in a sport. rl6214 May 2012 #78

You might want to break the news to the Olympic committee DonP Apr 2012 #39

Are you skiing to the range like Olympians, or just putting up silhouette targets to practice Hoyt Apr 2012 #52

that is only the biathlon gejohnston Apr 2012 #55

Once again your "wisdom" on display DonP Apr 2012 #65

Since when are we re-labeling sinicism and derision as "wisdom?" HALO141 May 2012 #83

Shooting is not a sport? PavePusher Apr 2012 #47

Correct on both accounts. Shooting is not a sport, and I am not an idiot (IMO, YMMV). Hoyt Apr 2012 #53

The experts differ with you. discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #60

Your Banjo........ Spoonman Apr 2012 #56

Well, if you or the violinist are into guns -- there's a lot we could say about that too. Hoyt Apr 2012 #58

I should have known....... Spoonman Apr 2012 #62

Bluegrass is good music gejohnston Apr 2012 #59

B-b-but...that's stupid backward racist bumpkin music! Glaug-Eldare Apr 2012 #61

Banjo is not all about bluegrass, although I like it. Poor slaves actually brought banjo to America. Hoyt Apr 2012 #63

We dun gots... discntnt_irny_srcsm Apr 2012 #66

But can it be anywhere as good as your can of pork and beans? rl6214 May 2012 #79

In order to be proficient, something you anti-gun zealots claim no CC owner ever is rl6214 May 2012 #77

How proficient at shooting does one have to be for self-defense? I mean isn't self-defense close Hoyt May 2012 #84

You are one of the anti-gun zealots always screeching about CC people not being proficiet rl6214 May 2012 #85

Actually, I don't see being proficient at shooting citizens a plus for society. I guess you do. Hoyt May 2012 #86

Just curious... HALO141 May 2012 #88

Most gun carriers aren't the police, but some definitely wannabe. Hoyt May 2012 #98

You should be Meiko May 2012 #90

I haven't shot anyone Meiko Apr 2012 #27

There is nobody here Meiko Apr 2012 #12

For all we know, Zimmerman was here before he went on the run after shooting an Hoyt Apr 2012 #14

For all we know ... Straw Man Apr 2012 #16

you make a good point. ileus Apr 2012 #33

He certainly qualifies as totally clueless about proper and safe firearm use DonP Apr 2012 #40

and he keeps wanting to shoot people.... ileus Apr 2012 #41

I use hollow points in my 9mm, .40ca and .45ACP. rl6214 May 2012 #76

According to some experienced shooters, some brands of HPs won't expand at low velocities AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #99

10mm 165gr Gold Dot HP or 135gr Nosler JHP. OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #81

Federal brand. jeepnstein May 2012 #94

There are several reasons sarisataka Apr 2012 #4

Hydra shocks for my 380.... ileus Apr 2012 #5

I always figured that ideally... krispos42 Apr 2012 #9

If it weren't for the risk of over-penetration... jeepnstein May 2012 #95

I read that the pistol was a Kel-Tec; definitely not top-of-the-line. razorman Apr 2012 #15

Kel-Tec is a perfectly functional pistol ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #20

Some think that you can cause them to misfeed with hollow points. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2012 #73

For what it's worth, HALO141 May 2012 #87

Reliability has to be absolute in those situations ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #92

I have seen all brands of pistols misfeed ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #93

Another approach = keep the wrist stiffer. The light weight of the Kel-Tec is a factor. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #97

Thus the step of trying another shooter ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #101

There may or may not have been an exit wound ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2012 #19

It may be just me, but I think this is a sick as hell post. nm rhett o rick Apr 2012 #21

And which juror were you? nt Union Scribe Apr 2012 #22

Not one that reveals in using the amo type that destroys as much human tissue as possible. rhett o rick Apr 2012 #24

There are good reasons to choose hollow points over FMJ sarisataka Apr 2012 #25

It's simply a matter Meiko Apr 2012 #31

But that's the point. Callisto32 Apr 2012 #34

Then Meiko Apr 2012 #28

it ain't just you iverglas Apr 2012 #36

Well said Meiko Apr 2012 #48

Agreed sarisataka Apr 2012 #50

The world is Meiko Apr 2012 #71

Nature shows I get sarisataka May 2012 #74

It's everywhere Meiko May 2012 #80

Some of both sarisataka May 2012 #91

I use... Clames Apr 2012 #26

a smart CCW holder melm00se Apr 2012 #32

The last time I had to shoot somebody I used 308, 150gr Ball ammo. oneshooter Apr 2012 #35

That Meiko Apr 2012 #45

That'll leave a mark. HALO141 May 2012 #89

Yea, entry and exit, all 3 rounds. oneshooter May 2012 #96

You must be one SICK individual lastlib Apr 2012 #38

Once again Meiko Apr 2012 #44

I think the detachment needed to discuss the most efficient way to damage human tissue is rhett o rick Apr 2012 #64

I think you have been gejohnston Apr 2012 #67

I can't speak for every gun owner Meiko Apr 2012 #70

I take great care in selecting my ammo sarisataka May 2012 #75

meh HALO141 May 2012 #82