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In reply to the discussion: Indian student murdered in Salford street attack (in UK, unprovoked attack) [View all]spin
(17,493 posts)6. Home invasions are common in the U.K.
An Englishman's home is his dungeon
By Mark Steyn
12:01AM GMT 07 Dec 2004
One of the key measures of a society's health is how easily you can insulate yourself from its underclass. In America, unless one resides in a very small number of problematic inner-city quarters or wishes to make a career in the drug trade, one will live a life blessedly untouched by crime. In Britain, alas, it's the peculiar genius of Home Office policy to have turned the entire country into one big, rundown, inner-city, no-go slum estate, extending from prosperous suburbs to leafy villages, even unto Upper Cheyne Row.
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But the trouble is that this kind of burglary - the kind most likely to go "wrong" - is now the norm in Britain. In America, it's called a "hot" burglary - a burglary that takes place when the homeowners are present - or a "home invasion", which is a much more accurate term. Just over 10 per cent of US burglaries are "hot" burglaries, and in my part of the world it's statistically insignificant: there is virtually zero chance of a New Hampshire home being broken into while the family are present. But in England and Wales it's more than 50 per cent and climbing. Which is hardly surprising given the police's petty, well-publicised pursuit of those citizens who have the impertinence to resist criminals.
These days, even as he or she is being clobbered, the more thoughtful British subject is usually keeping an eye (the one that hasn't been poked out) on potential liability. Four years ago, Shirley Best, proprietor of the Rolander Fashion emporium, whose clients include Zara Phillips, was ironing some clothes when the proverbial two youths showed up. They pressed the hot iron into her flesh, burning her badly, and then stole her watch. "I was frightened to defend myself," said Miss Best. "I thought if I did anything I would be arrested." There speaks the modern British crime victim.
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That this most basic right should be something for which he has to organise a campaign is disgraceful. In New Hampshire, there are few burglaries because there's a high rate of gun ownership. Getting your head blown off for a $70 TV set isn't worth it. Conversely, thanks to the British police, burning the flesh of a London dressmaker to get her watch is definitely worth it. In Chelsea the morning after Mr Monckton's murder, Her Majesty's Keystone Konstabulary with all their state-of-the-art toys had sealed off the street in an almost comical illustration of their lavishly funded uselessness....emphasis added
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3613417/An-Englishmans-home-is-his-dungeon.html
Britain is in the grip of an austerity crime-wave with two thirds rise in burglaries in parts of the country
Increase in burglaries and robberies
By Jack Doyle Last updated at 11:38 PM on 11th December 2011
Britain has been hit by an austerity crimewave, with burglary and robbery both on the rise, experts said last night.
Police figures reveal there were 9 per cent more burglaries in October this year than in December 2010.

Feeling the pinch: Among the worst figures nationwide were a 66 per cent rise in burglaries in Devon and Cornwall and a 55 per cent rise in Cleveland
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Last week Metropolitan Police Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe told a committee of the London assembly: Weve got a challenge at the moment around robbery, particularly street robbery.
In the year to October muggings in the capital were up nearly 15 per cent compared to the same period last year.

On the rise: Statistics show an increase in knifepoint robberies, bicycle thefts and pickpocketing
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072841/Britain-grip-austerity-crime-wave-rise-thirds-burglaries-parts-country.html#ixzz1hgeWKeud
Meanwhile crime of all types is falling in the United States and has been for years.
FBI: U.S. violent crime down in 2011, fewer murders, rapes
WASHINGTON | Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:05am EST
Reuters) - Murders, rapes and other violent crimes dropped sharply in the United States in the first six months of 2011, continuing a downward trend that has lasted 4 1/2 years, the FBI reported on Monday.
The federal law enforcement agency said preliminary January-through-June figures showed the number of violent crimes declined 6.4 percent from the previous year, led by a 5.7 percent drop in murders and a 5.1 percent decrease in rapes.
In other violent crime categories, robberies declined 7.7 percent while aggravated assaults fell 5.9 percent.
The FBI's regular statistical report did not give any reasons for the lower crimes nationwide. But the latest numbers provided further evidence of no crime spike coinciding with the tough economic conditions and high unemployment.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/19/us-usa-crime-fbi-idUSTRE7BI0ZR20111219
Perhaps the U.K. is not quite the crime and violence free utopia that you believe it is.
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Indian student murdered in Salford street attack (in UK, unprovoked attack) [View all]
alp227
Dec 2011
OP
Doesn't happen often. Brits don't want guns. No NRA blowing smoke. People live without them.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#1
Thank God for ATF plants at Aryan Nation get-togethers. Weaver and anyone like him is a terrorist.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#17
I suppose you've never fucked up. I hope they keep the pressure on the Weaver type gunners.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#23
'Entrapment?" -- ATF approaches Weaver at racist Ayran Nation meeting and Weaver agrees to supply
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#24
Gun culture will be defending Koresh shortly. Even though he had 51 days to surrender after killing
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#28
It's unfair to mention the fact he didn't use guns for his terrorism.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#36
Why not? We could also point out that they use computers to communicate with each other.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#51
Can we blame "the gun culture" for the Weather Underground as well?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#88
Why not? Note how many terrorist attacks happened in 'civilized' Europe before WW1
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#90
Who said Weaver, a racist -- living in a compound -- would not normally do that? LMAO
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#33
Yes, even though they don't give due process and Weaver was supplier of executioner's weapon.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#55
What "executioner's weapon" was that? Short-barrelled shotguns are legal.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#56
I guess you can't see difference between a member of Ayran Nation (Weaver) and political opinion?
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#25
By golly if you go to Ayran Nation "events", you are a member, sympathizer, racist, and worse.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#66
I know, Weaver is one of the upstanding gun owners the "gun culture" likes to tout.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#67
Didn't read past "insulate yourself from its underclass" BS. Sounds like British TBaggery to me.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#9
If so, nothing came of it. Nothing's been hidden since January 2 n/t
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#81
Unfortuiantely I don't have a list of all the witers who have views oppose yours...
spin
Jan 2012
#93
Gunner = short for member of "gun culture" = euphemism for "guns on the brain" and in waistband to
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#32
Fear in this context = having to strap a gun or two on before venturing out in public.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#68
The Swiss? You mean the Swiss who have more than two million guns in their homes?
TheWraith
Jan 2012
#86
Everyone in the UK knows that guns kill people...danger danger gunz are bad! The UK needs a gun ban.
ileus
Dec 2011
#7
Apparently Scalia's opinions are abhorrent- unless he agrees with them....
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#52