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SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:02 PM May 2012

Stand Your Ground or Duty to Retreat [View all]

For the last few months we have been hearing a good bit about Castle Doctrine (Laws) or Stand Your Ground Laws. The media has also brought many events to our attention in which it seem these laws have resulted, in some situations, where people have been killed under circumstances where self defense seems to be highly in question, yet the shooter has not been charged for a crime using these laws.

Likewise we have heard how death rates under the circumstances of self defense have increased threefold. I have also heard how the laws which were in place (in Florida specifically) would have resulted in the shooter not being charged anyway, if it was self defense, so these laws are not needed and in fact have actually allowed legal vigilanteism.

It is my understanding, until 2006 in Alabama the law said we had a “duty to retreat”. I recall for years hearing how people who were charged with a crime for shooting a burgular because they had an opportunity to retreat rather than protect their person or property. I remember where the actual recommendation, by a law enforcement officer, was to create a “safe room” e.g. a bedroom in which you should get a reenforced door with strong locks and a phone, then if your house is broken into you should retreat to that room lock yourself in and call the police and wait, that you should only use deadly force if the burgular broke into that room (I am not sure if this was just the recommendation of that office/department or if it took that to meet the requirement of the law).

I have never heard one person question someone defending themselves, the questions seem to come from when does the need to self defend start, at what point does defense become offense, when does stand your ground become pursue.

Also, how much force are you allowed to use? Is deadly force allowed when, non-deadly for could work? Are warning shots allowed? Does the sides need to be evenly armed?

And, just what can you defend. Defending yourself, family or another person seems to not be in question. But, does defending personal property justify using deadly force? If so, does that extend to your neighbor’s personal property?

Is the problem in the way the laws are written or is it in how the laws are applied?

For now I am not giving my opinion, just asking questions.

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If you're a christian fundamentalist...you stand your ground.....if you're an... Namvet67 May 2012 #1
There should be NO Duty to Retreat MicaelS May 2012 #7
On the outside, back away if you can. Inside the home........ wandy May 2012 #8
100% agreement Namvet67 May 2012 #30
Excellent post, welcome to DU. safeinOhio May 2012 #9
I am a Christian... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #13
Rules? Where did you get your #26? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #26
thanks for the link discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #29
beautiful Namvet67 May 2012 #31
Thanks for the good word :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #35
Real life, of course, is never as binary as you claim. PavePusher May 2012 #17
I disagree with your comment that ... spin May 2012 #24
I agree...go STEELERS Namvet67 May 2012 #32
Its not about honor or wild west scenarios aikoaiko May 2012 #27
There is also a difference between tactical and required ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #46
You have very little understanding of Christianity. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #28
I repectfully disagree.....I have studied christianity ...forced on me for 12 years...on my own for Namvet67 May 2012 #33
There is another forum for theology. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #41
I'll let you be the doctor, but I'm an attorney... Callisto32 May 2012 #37
It's difficult to enforce any law rrneck May 2012 #2
I recall that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4
:D. nt rrneck May 2012 #11
Does the law adjust the mentality? SoutherDem May 2012 #5
Maybe. rrneck May 2012 #10
For me Oneka May 2012 #15
You kill to prevent killing.......again.....I don't see the logic....the life you take is final..... Namvet67 May 2012 #34
The logic is very simple... Clames May 2012 #36
clever but not helpful Namvet67 May 2012 #39
Helps me. Clames May 2012 #42
"You kill to prevent killing" Oneka May 2012 #38
So according to your philosophy oneshooter May 2012 #40
So we simply watch criminals kill innocents? hack89 May 2012 #43
Not all lives have the same value. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #44
While it may sound harsh... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #45
If you are convicted of imprisoning someone illegally, TPaine7 May 2012 #47
The law by itself does not adjust anyone's thinking. ManiacJoe May 2012 #20
Excellent set of questions. ManiacJoe May 2012 #3
Thank you for the reply! SoutherDem May 2012 #14
Follow ups. ManiacJoe May 2012 #18
What's a "warning shot"? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #21
No. If you miss, that is called poor marksmanship. ManiacJoe May 2012 #22
To scare may be the intent... Clames May 2012 #23
Agreed, AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #25
I choose not to be an easy target... Clames May 2012 #6
In your home, at night, common law allowed you to use deadly force against a dwelling intruder. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #12
Remorse is the answer? SoutherDem May 2012 #16
No. "Expressed" remorse. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #19
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