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AnotherMcIntosh

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12. In your home, at night, common law allowed you to use deadly force against a dwelling intruder.
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:22 PM
May 2012

Blackstone explained this in his commentaries: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/blackstone_bk4ch16.asp

Basically, if an unwelcomed person entered your dwelling at night, you had a common law right to use deadly force. And such right existed regardless of any duty to retreat or otherwise use less deadly force.

Some people believe that the Castle Doctrine is not or should not be limited to night-time intrusions.

In addition to the common-law Castle Doctrine, some states adopted statutes to eliminate the night-time limitation and/or the dwelling limitation. Both types of statutes are stand-your-ground statutes. Some states also qualified the stand-your-ground statutes by requiring a person to retreat if possible and to use less than deadly force if possible. This occasionally causes confusion, and conflict, because of the adoption of standards which have done away with the common-law, bright-line standard.

At common law, it was simple. If an unwelcomed person comes into your house at night, you can do whatever you want. Nowadays, if an unwelcomed person comes into your house in a state which has a law requiring you to retreat or use less than deadly force if possible, you can do whatever a future jury might consider to be reasonable. If you are less than bright, and don't express remorse about having to defend yourself, you can improve your chances of being charged with a crime and/or being the target of a lawsuit.

The short answer: If you have to defend yourself with a firearm, always express remorse. And always talk about how fearful or apprenhensive you were just before the shooting. If you don't know how to do this, go to a courtroom in which a cop shot someone and watch how they do it. Your story, of course, will be more believable if the shootee does not offer any conflicting statement.

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If you're a christian fundamentalist...you stand your ground.....if you're an... Namvet67 May 2012 #1
There should be NO Duty to Retreat MicaelS May 2012 #7
On the outside, back away if you can. Inside the home........ wandy May 2012 #8
100% agreement Namvet67 May 2012 #30
Excellent post, welcome to DU. safeinOhio May 2012 #9
I am a Christian... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #13
Rules? Where did you get your #26? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #26
thanks for the link discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #29
beautiful Namvet67 May 2012 #31
Thanks for the good word :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #35
Real life, of course, is never as binary as you claim. PavePusher May 2012 #17
I disagree with your comment that ... spin May 2012 #24
I agree...go STEELERS Namvet67 May 2012 #32
Its not about honor or wild west scenarios aikoaiko May 2012 #27
There is also a difference between tactical and required ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #46
You have very little understanding of Christianity. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #28
I repectfully disagree.....I have studied christianity ...forced on me for 12 years...on my own for Namvet67 May 2012 #33
There is another forum for theology. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #41
I'll let you be the doctor, but I'm an attorney... Callisto32 May 2012 #37
It's difficult to enforce any law rrneck May 2012 #2
I recall that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4
:D. nt rrneck May 2012 #11
Does the law adjust the mentality? SoutherDem May 2012 #5
Maybe. rrneck May 2012 #10
For me Oneka May 2012 #15
You kill to prevent killing.......again.....I don't see the logic....the life you take is final..... Namvet67 May 2012 #34
The logic is very simple... Clames May 2012 #36
clever but not helpful Namvet67 May 2012 #39
Helps me. Clames May 2012 #42
"You kill to prevent killing" Oneka May 2012 #38
So according to your philosophy oneshooter May 2012 #40
So we simply watch criminals kill innocents? hack89 May 2012 #43
Not all lives have the same value. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #44
While it may sound harsh... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #45
If you are convicted of imprisoning someone illegally, TPaine7 May 2012 #47
The law by itself does not adjust anyone's thinking. ManiacJoe May 2012 #20
Excellent set of questions. ManiacJoe May 2012 #3
Thank you for the reply! SoutherDem May 2012 #14
Follow ups. ManiacJoe May 2012 #18
What's a "warning shot"? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #21
No. If you miss, that is called poor marksmanship. ManiacJoe May 2012 #22
To scare may be the intent... Clames May 2012 #23
Agreed, AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #25
I choose not to be an easy target... Clames May 2012 #6
In your home, at night, common law allowed you to use deadly force against a dwelling intruder. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #12
Remorse is the answer? SoutherDem May 2012 #16
No. "Expressed" remorse. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #19
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