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SoutherDem

(2,307 posts)
14. Thank you for the reply!
Sun May 6, 2012, 02:44 PM
May 2012

You have answered the questions without passion, which I hoped for but didn't count on on this website, so way to go

If I could I will make a couple of follow ups?

Warning shots are illegal in most jurisdictions.

I am against warning shots because you never know where they will land. People have died from warning shots who were not involved or even knew anything was happening.

If you are not shooting to kill/stop, you are not in fear of your life; since you are not in fear of your life, lethal force is not allowed.

Granted I mostly have only entertainment media as examples, but I can think of someone who can't retreat, have a gun, don't want to kill or or even harm but scare or show a willingness to pull the trigger. Like I said I don't agree with the warning shot but I could see someone using one yet still being in real danger and fear of their life. I could see this in domestic cases where a loved one may be the attacker.

Both sides do not need to be evenly armed, but the "level" of force in the defense must not exceed the "level" used in the attack. Once the attacker has moved into the lethal "level" (normally but not always: clubs, knives, guns), any type of lethal defense is allowed.

I am 45 yo, 5'9" and certainly not athletic, I am attacked by a 22 yo, 6'2" who puts in a couple of hours in the gym daily. They could kill me with their bare hands, I am being beaten (maybe gay bashed) my only hope of stopping them will be with a club, knife or gun. I do kill them, I couldn't have retreated, nor with my bare hands could I have stopped him. I would think, I am justified to pull the weapon. Yet so often we hear the "facts" of the case include being equally armed. Is that just media hype?

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If you're a christian fundamentalist...you stand your ground.....if you're an... Namvet67 May 2012 #1
There should be NO Duty to Retreat MicaelS May 2012 #7
On the outside, back away if you can. Inside the home........ wandy May 2012 #8
100% agreement Namvet67 May 2012 #30
Excellent post, welcome to DU. safeinOhio May 2012 #9
I am a Christian... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #13
Rules? Where did you get your #26? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #26
thanks for the link discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #29
beautiful Namvet67 May 2012 #31
Thanks for the good word :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #35
Real life, of course, is never as binary as you claim. PavePusher May 2012 #17
I disagree with your comment that ... spin May 2012 #24
I agree...go STEELERS Namvet67 May 2012 #32
Its not about honor or wild west scenarios aikoaiko May 2012 #27
There is also a difference between tactical and required ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #46
You have very little understanding of Christianity. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #28
I repectfully disagree.....I have studied christianity ...forced on me for 12 years...on my own for Namvet67 May 2012 #33
There is another forum for theology. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #41
I'll let you be the doctor, but I'm an attorney... Callisto32 May 2012 #37
It's difficult to enforce any law rrneck May 2012 #2
I recall that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4
:D. nt rrneck May 2012 #11
Does the law adjust the mentality? SoutherDem May 2012 #5
Maybe. rrneck May 2012 #10
For me Oneka May 2012 #15
You kill to prevent killing.......again.....I don't see the logic....the life you take is final..... Namvet67 May 2012 #34
The logic is very simple... Clames May 2012 #36
clever but not helpful Namvet67 May 2012 #39
Helps me. Clames May 2012 #42
"You kill to prevent killing" Oneka May 2012 #38
So according to your philosophy oneshooter May 2012 #40
So we simply watch criminals kill innocents? hack89 May 2012 #43
Not all lives have the same value. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #44
While it may sound harsh... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #45
If you are convicted of imprisoning someone illegally, TPaine7 May 2012 #47
The law by itself does not adjust anyone's thinking. ManiacJoe May 2012 #20
Excellent set of questions. ManiacJoe May 2012 #3
Thank you for the reply! SoutherDem May 2012 #14
Follow ups. ManiacJoe May 2012 #18
What's a "warning shot"? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #21
No. If you miss, that is called poor marksmanship. ManiacJoe May 2012 #22
To scare may be the intent... Clames May 2012 #23
Agreed, AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #25
I choose not to be an easy target... Clames May 2012 #6
In your home, at night, common law allowed you to use deadly force against a dwelling intruder. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #12
Remorse is the answer? SoutherDem May 2012 #16
No. "Expressed" remorse. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #19
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