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Oneka

(653 posts)
15. For me
Sun May 6, 2012, 03:46 PM
May 2012

knowledge of the law of , use of force, in MN where i live, has allready changed my mentality. I studied the pertinent laws in my state both before and after i got a carry permit. If I, am the target of an attack, my answer to that is simple, I do whatever it takes to "end the threat" if that means retreating, i will do it, if it means using force, i will do that instead, sometimes retreat is not an option. "Stand your ground" law wouldn't change anything in a situation where i , alone, get attacked.

It get much trickier, if i am in a situation where i see someone else getting attacked.

Allow me to set up a scenario: I am in a convenient store with the clerk, i am in a back aisle getting a soda from the cooler.
An armed man storms in, fires his gun at the ceiling,aims it at the clerk, and demands money,with a threat of death if she does not comply. The clerk is in an island and has no place to safely retreat to.
There is a door which leads to an exit, through the storeroom, 5 feet away from me.

In MN it is legal to use force to defend another person, not just myself. All of the same,common law, rules apply to defending another person, as apply to defending myself.

I have several choices.

1: do nothing.
2: crouch down and hope the robber doesn't see me, and wait.
3: immediately call 911.
4: run out of the store and keep running.
5: run out and call 911.
6: initiate the use of force, to end the threat of the armed man, on the clerks behalf.

With the law as it stands in MN i could choose any of the first 5 with no personal consequences, provided the robber doesn't turn his attention toward me.

Choice number 6 could save the life of the clerk, but could land me in personal hell, with criminal, and civil proceedings costing untold
thousands. This choice could also get me killed, if the armed man shoots me before i end the threat.

Governor Dayton recently vetoed a very strong "stand your ground" bill, in MN.
That law would have made it very difficult for police to arrest and prosecutors to charge me if i chose number 6 in the above scenario. I won't say which choice i would make in that scenario,with MN law as it is, but a good solid "stand your ground" law would make choosing to defend another persons life a whole lot easier, for me.

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If you're a christian fundamentalist...you stand your ground.....if you're an... Namvet67 May 2012 #1
There should be NO Duty to Retreat MicaelS May 2012 #7
On the outside, back away if you can. Inside the home........ wandy May 2012 #8
100% agreement Namvet67 May 2012 #30
Excellent post, welcome to DU. safeinOhio May 2012 #9
I am a Christian... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #13
Rules? Where did you get your #26? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #26
thanks for the link discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #29
beautiful Namvet67 May 2012 #31
Thanks for the good word :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #35
Real life, of course, is never as binary as you claim. PavePusher May 2012 #17
I disagree with your comment that ... spin May 2012 #24
I agree...go STEELERS Namvet67 May 2012 #32
Its not about honor or wild west scenarios aikoaiko May 2012 #27
There is also a difference between tactical and required ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #46
You have very little understanding of Christianity. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #28
I repectfully disagree.....I have studied christianity ...forced on me for 12 years...on my own for Namvet67 May 2012 #33
There is another forum for theology. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #41
I'll let you be the doctor, but I'm an attorney... Callisto32 May 2012 #37
It's difficult to enforce any law rrneck May 2012 #2
I recall that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4
:D. nt rrneck May 2012 #11
Does the law adjust the mentality? SoutherDem May 2012 #5
Maybe. rrneck May 2012 #10
For me Oneka May 2012 #15
You kill to prevent killing.......again.....I don't see the logic....the life you take is final..... Namvet67 May 2012 #34
The logic is very simple... Clames May 2012 #36
clever but not helpful Namvet67 May 2012 #39
Helps me. Clames May 2012 #42
"You kill to prevent killing" Oneka May 2012 #38
So according to your philosophy oneshooter May 2012 #40
So we simply watch criminals kill innocents? hack89 May 2012 #43
Not all lives have the same value. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #44
While it may sound harsh... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #45
If you are convicted of imprisoning someone illegally, TPaine7 May 2012 #47
The law by itself does not adjust anyone's thinking. ManiacJoe May 2012 #20
Excellent set of questions. ManiacJoe May 2012 #3
Thank you for the reply! SoutherDem May 2012 #14
Follow ups. ManiacJoe May 2012 #18
What's a "warning shot"? AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #21
No. If you miss, that is called poor marksmanship. ManiacJoe May 2012 #22
To scare may be the intent... Clames May 2012 #23
Agreed, AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #25
I choose not to be an easy target... Clames May 2012 #6
In your home, at night, common law allowed you to use deadly force against a dwelling intruder. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #12
Remorse is the answer? SoutherDem May 2012 #16
No. "Expressed" remorse. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #19
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