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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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45. "...speed limits should all be gotten rid of since people speed all the time."
Mon May 7, 2012, 01:45 PM
May 2012

The speed limit analogy is a poor one since the nature of speed limits vary from state to state. Where I live, speed limits are absolute. The sworn testimony of a LEO giving conclusive evidence that your speed exceeded the posted limit results in your conviction. In some states, California for one, speed limits are prima facie. This means, while exceeding the posted is sufficient to bring one to trial, it is not sufficient for conviction. The accused can demonstrate that his/her speed was safe and reasonable for prevailing conditions, such as moving with the flow of traffic. We have speed limits because it is safer to have vehicles near each other travel at similar speeds.

More to the point, gun-free zones make illegal the possession of a firearm in a certain area by certain people. Murder is illegal because the victim has a right to life. There is no "right" to live, work, eat, walk, swim, learn or fly a kite in an area free of firearms.

Making murder illegal is a just thing to do. Making it illegal for a violent convicted criminal to buy a pistol is essentially a just thing to do. Making it illegal for a violent convicted criminal to carry concealed is a just thing to do. Making it illegal for EVERYONE to possess a firearm within or on the grounds of a public library is a waste. It's like posting a speed limit of 36, 37 and 38 on road already posted 35.

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CBS 5... an affiliate - NOT the network. Cooley Hurd May 2012 #1
The video rules are irrelevant. Renew Deal May 2012 #2
But there was no story. ManiacJoe May 2012 #4
the story was gejohnston May 2012 #9
This really gives me the giggles. NewMoonTherian May 2012 #28
And what exactly was relevant about it? Clames May 2012 #23
You must love warrantless wiretaps. Straw Man May 2012 #46
CBS5 also committed a felony during the story pneutin May 2012 #67
Boo friggin hooo -- The poor pitiful plight of the gun culture. Hoyt May 2012 #3
Laws? DragonBorn May 2012 #59
Guns are so "progressive." Lots of things are legal - like flying a swastika - but they ain't right. Hoyt May 2012 #60
Luckily, Hoyt does not get to set the definition of "progressive" for the rest of us. ManiacJoe May 2012 #61
I suspect if we move out of the Gungeon, the "rest of you" would be a small assed number. Hoyt May 2012 #64
Previous DU surveys suggest otherwise. ManiacJoe May 2012 #65
Howsabout a link? I'd love to see how questions were phrased, date (pre or post Zimmerman), etc. Hoyt May 2012 #66
Just as soon as you provide a link to the study/poll that proves your oft oneshooter May 2012 #71
It's as obvious as climate change. Sorry your response doesn't cut it. Hoyt May 2012 #72
But you have no scientific proof. Just"It's as obvious as climate change." oneshooter May 2012 #75
That's it, let's wait 20 years to see how 50% of population handles carrying guns on street. By then Hoyt May 2012 #76
You say that like it is a bad thing! ManiacJoe May 2012 #77
Definitely pre-Zimmerman, on DU2. ManiacJoe May 2012 #73
Makes sense then. I think people are starting to realize what's walking around in public Hoyt May 2012 #74
And? DragonBorn May 2012 #62
Welcome to DU. Actually I am pointing out that being within the law is not always desirable. Hoyt May 2012 #63
Your outrage is noted AnOhioan May 2012 #5
If you can point out MY outrage, I'd appreciate it. All I did was post the article. shadowrider May 2012 #6
For starters, your sig is outrageous. tridim May 2012 #7
But true. shadowrider May 2012 #8
Even truerDesignat bongbong May 2012 #29
I missed this. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #58
Yes, it is outrageous that people should be deprived of the ability to protect themselves. N/T GreenStormCloud May 2012 #10
. shadowrider May 2012 #11
Do both of you guys avoid going into "gun free zones" over fear of being accosted? Hoyt May 2012 #16
Well, that would explain the small-minded worldview. DanTex May 2012 #17
Sure can't visit Mexico derby378 May 2012 #19
Of course, because the problems in Mexico are due to their gun laws! DanTex May 2012 #20
THANK YOU! derby378 May 2012 #22
Gun-free zones are a rarity in Texas. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #68
Doesn't surprise me a bit. Lots of little boys that never grew up - a la georgie bush, ricky perry. Hoyt May 2012 #69
don't forget gejohnston May 2012 #70
Nobody is forcing you to visit or live in a gun-free zone. tridim May 2012 #21
Really??? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #25
How TERRIBLE! bongbong May 2012 #30
LMAO! How true. Hoyt May 2012 #31
Aw, you think a sign will dissuade the bad guys, huh? Union Scribe May 2012 #32
How true! :) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #33
Isn't s/he just precious? n/t PavePusher May 2012 #34
Most antis are only worried about denying the rights of legal carriers. ileus May 2012 #41
Tired, tired old Talking Point bongbong May 2012 #43
The belief in word magic amongst the restrictionistas is quite widepread... friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #47
Because we know criminals will obey all gun laws? hack89 May 2012 #36
Tired Talking Points bongbong May 2012 #44
"...speed limits should all be gotten rid of since people speed all the time." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #45
wasting time bongbong May 2012 #50
I accept... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #51
worshipful bongbong May 2012 #53
"...so beloved of those who worship guns." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #56
Use of the phrase "talking point(s)" is *not* a saving throw when you can't refute something. friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #48
yes bongbong May 2012 #49
It does seem... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #52
Read & learn bongbong May 2012 #54
You have to make educated posts... Clames May 2012 #55
Regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #57
In Texas gun-free zones are rare. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #37
Well, good luck with that. You'll likely need it. tridim May 2012 #39
Hey CBS! Leave those gun traffickers alone! DanTex May 2012 #12
investigative reporting gejohnston May 2012 #13
According to David Codrea? DanTex May 2012 #14
read the original "news" piece gejohnston May 2012 #15
As sports reporting legend Biff Barf... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #18
I'll question their integrity. NewMoonTherian May 2012 #24
"...whoring themselves for viewership..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #26
They most likey did have an anti-gun agenda gejohnston May 2012 #27
"Fast and Furious conspiracy theories"? PavePusher May 2012 #35
You do seem to have problems answering direct questions about facts. n/t PavePusher May 2012 #78
What investigation? GreenStormCloud May 2012 #38
... ellisonz May 2012 #40
First Amendment used to abuse the Second Amendment. Remmah2 May 2012 #42
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