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In reply to the discussion: Guns in Public, and Out of Sight [View all]Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)23. No, it's refreshing to know that not ONLY the bad guys can carry guns.
So refreshing and reassuring to know only the good guys carry guns, isn't it?
No, what is refreshing is to know that in addition to bad guys carrying guns, good guys can, too.
We know the bad guys probably always will have guns. And even if they didn't, it's good to know that good guys won't have to resort to fleeing, submitting, or engaging in a physical contest of strength with their attackers if they are victims of crime.
Of course, our toting friends will declare such incidents as statistically insignificant, like the 10,000 gun suicides and the 10,000 annual homicides. All statistically insignificant. After all what's a few thousand gun deaths and a few tens of billions of public healthcare dollars, compared to the rights of a few insecure people to tote their guns everywhere they go. Hey, it's apparently in the Constitution.
I am not going to allow you or anyone else to restrict my right to keep and bear arms because people use them to commit suicide. The simple fact is, anyone who really wants to commit suicide can do it with a small piece of rope looped around their neck and a doorknob and simply sitting down on the floor.
And yes, it's tragic that 10,000 people are the victims of homicides every year with firearms, but given that there are 40-80 million firearm owners, that means that only .025% - .013% of firearm owners are involved in firearm homicides every year. This means that 99.98% or more of firearm owners don't commit homicides each year.
So. Given the fact that this is a Constitutional right we are talking about here, and given how few firearm owners are involved in homicides every year, I'm not going to support any crusade that affects all of us who aren't doing anything wrong on behalf of the few people who are.
No, what is refreshing is to know that in addition to bad guys carrying guns, good guys can, too.
We know the bad guys probably always will have guns. And even if they didn't, it's good to know that good guys won't have to resort to fleeing, submitting, or engaging in a physical contest of strength with their attackers if they are victims of crime.
Of course, our toting friends will declare such incidents as statistically insignificant, like the 10,000 gun suicides and the 10,000 annual homicides. All statistically insignificant. After all what's a few thousand gun deaths and a few tens of billions of public healthcare dollars, compared to the rights of a few insecure people to tote their guns everywhere they go. Hey, it's apparently in the Constitution.
I am not going to allow you or anyone else to restrict my right to keep and bear arms because people use them to commit suicide. The simple fact is, anyone who really wants to commit suicide can do it with a small piece of rope looped around their neck and a doorknob and simply sitting down on the floor.
And yes, it's tragic that 10,000 people are the victims of homicides every year with firearms, but given that there are 40-80 million firearm owners, that means that only .025% - .013% of firearm owners are involved in firearm homicides every year. This means that 99.98% or more of firearm owners don't commit homicides each year.
So. Given the fact that this is a Constitutional right we are talking about here, and given how few firearm owners are involved in homicides every year, I'm not going to support any crusade that affects all of us who aren't doing anything wrong on behalf of the few people who are.
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So refreshing and reassuring to know only the good guys carry guns, isn't it?
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#1
No, it's refreshing to know that not ONLY the bad guys can carry guns.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2011
#23
Studied some Judo at police college and later I did some Karate training. No belts or special PJs.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#55
Training for a black belt is difficult. Takes dedication, determination and time.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#80
No bullshit, I'm relating real life experience. Nothing Hollywood about it. No contradictions.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#86
I'm not denying that a gun is more effective than a martial art. So is a bomb.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#58
He said "Then there are likely situations where a gun is the best answer"
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#81
I don't want to disarm anyone, not even the criminals. I definitely don't want to discuss your guns.
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#109
But since those people who legally carry in public represent no real threat to you
hack89
Dec 2011
#110
And that script will probably continue to be played out. Nothing new about your response.
Starboard Tack
Jan 2012
#136
Sanity is also not about repeating an unproven assertion, in the hopes it becomes accepted truth.
beevul
Jan 2012
#151
Again with the silly "guns are designed to injure or kill humans"...........
Simo 1939_1940
Jan 2012
#129
It's so refreshing and reassuring to know only the good guys use laptops, isn't it?
SteveW
Dec 2011
#30
I don't want to expand NICS or any other testing, except individual reality testing
Starboard Tack
Dec 2011
#38
Why don't you want to expand NICS? What were Bloomie's whiny videos about if not that?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#42
Then DO something. Support President Obama's proposals, for starters:
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#125
Can't help it- I took your claim to want effective gun control at face value.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#138
Individuals make the choice - as long as government doesn't get in the way.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2011
#56
"What makes you so special that these violent criminal pose a threat to you."
Simo 1939_1940
Jan 2012
#144
The number of guns in the US has risen, while gun violence has declined.
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#184
Really good argument for more user fees to pay for background checks and record maintenance...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#6
So we should have fees required to carry a book or speak in public, and to vote.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#20
Or a good argument for just doing away with the requirement altogether.
Atypical Liberal
Dec 2011
#28
Sounds like N.C. may have a communication problem between law enforcement....
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#7
The article admits that there are crimes prevented by those who legally carry concealed...
spin
Dec 2011
#9
Hard for NYT "to track [gun self-defense] episodes." Esp. if they neither try...
SteveW
Dec 2011
#65