Gun Control & RKBA

Nuclear Unicorn

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43. I was addressing the notion that glorification of violence is an American trait

Tue Dec 27, 2011, 04:30 PM

Dec 2011

Glorification of violence is a human trait. Firearms are merely a characteristic is American expression of that trait. I would lay this at the feet of the fact that America was reaching its "adolescence" during the industrial revolution when the manufacture of firearms entered mass-production like most other industrial products. Japan matured, nationally, during the era of the samurai, it seems natural to me that the imagery of the era would endure within the culture. The Soviets had their maturation and they paraded weapons through Red Square to congratulate their puffery.

There isn't really anything special or unique about America's love of firearms/baseball/automobiles. In fact, America strikes me as incredibly -- common.

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I've got the winchester pictured, my brother the High Standard. ileus Dec 2011 #1

I wish High Standard was still around.... SteveW Dec 2011 #52

And now that boy can live out his fantasy... ellisonz Dec 2011 #2

Maybe we should just get him a bottle of lotion... BiggJawn Dec 2011 #3

Or you could get him a survey of daily life in American history... ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

I smell a wafting from Michael Bellesiles X_Digger Dec 2011 #25

And I smell a wafting of bullshit excuses ellisonz Dec 2011 #35

Ooh, I must've struck a nerve. X_Digger Dec 2011 #38

Eh... ellisonz Dec 2011 #46

I see you use toons when you run out of actual things to say. Pity. X_Digger Dec 2011 #47

No. I use them... ellisonz Dec 2011 #49

If you leave others to make your arguments, what does that say about your argument's strength? X_Digger Dec 2011 #50

At least I'm not quoting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #51

My words are my own.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #55

God forbid... ellisonz Dec 2011 #57

Why should I care what Ron Paul thinks? And why quote him to me? X_Digger Dec 2011 #63

Do you disavow them? ellisonz Dec 2011 #64

Again, why should I care what they think? X_Digger Dec 2011 #72

They love gun rights. ellisonz Dec 2011 #73

And Hitler was a vegetarian.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #74

States the obvious. ellisonz Dec 2011 #75

"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.." X_Digger Dec 2011 #77

What is "nuts" about it? PavePusher Dec 2011 #133

The irony! It burns! It burns! Straw Man Dec 2011 #91

I call them like I see it... ellisonz Dec 2011 #92

No, you call them like [sic] some hack cartoonist sees them. Straw Man Dec 2011 #95

What does it mean when you've lost a fair deal of Middle America on these issues? ellisonz Dec 2011 #96

So a "fair deal of Middle America" favors more stringent gun control? Straw Man Dec 2011 #100

I'm not the feckin google. ellisonz Dec 2011 #108

You don't seem to understand this "rhetoric" thing. Straw Man Dec 2011 #110

Oh I understand... ellisonz Dec 2011 #112

More of the same. Straw Man Dec 2011 #116

Blah Blah Blah... ellisonz Dec 2011 #118

Doesn't appear that I violate any of those... Straw Man Dec 2011 #121

This is what chaps my ass. ellisonz Dec 2011 #122

Wow. Just wow. beevul Dec 2011 #128

Your *concern* is noted. ellisonz Dec 2011 #142

Swarming = you hold a minority opinion. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #159

I think I've got you beat by a few. Straw Man Dec 2011 #141

"in the spirit of progressive politics" ellisonz Dec 2011 #143

Easy.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #134

Speak for the "silent majority", do you? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #151

Perhaps. ellisonz Dec 2011 #152

You wouldn't be the first to make that claim. You might want to look up who used the phrase first... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #153

You really love to distort peoples words... ellisonz Dec 2011 #154

Instead of a reasoned reply, I get a cartoon? Oookay... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #158

since most people don't have the slightest idea what current gejohnston Dec 2011 #157

More royalties from the NRA! SteveW Dec 2011 #54

Kicked out of Emory U, Bancroft Prize revoked, asked to pay back money... SteveW Dec 2011 #53

OK, as long as we're not sparing each other's feelings ... Straw Man Dec 2011 #113

"I will submit that you care not one whit for the innocent victims of violent criminals." ellisonz Dec 2011 #115

Once more, with feeling. Straw Man Dec 2011 #119

"only the elites could afford to ornate weapons or possess a collection. " BiggJawn Dec 2011 #28

You're just making my point... ellisonz Dec 2011 #34

Firearms, like a lot of stuff, became cheap after the "Miracle of Mass production..." SteveW Dec 2011 #56

And this is a good thing? n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #65

Good for those wishing to arm themselves with reliable weapons. SteveW Dec 2011 #78

Yes - good quality weapons at a reasonable price. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #160

We are not all Dick Cheney that can afford a gejohnston Dec 2011 #161

Yeah, only 152 years ago. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #83

Or you could look at it as boys and girls learning firearm safety... spin Dec 2011 #4

Cheap guns? Where?!?! Did I miss a sale add somewhere? PavePusher Dec 2011 #5

Nothing like what they did historically... ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

You have evidence to support this claim? PavePusher Dec 2011 #18

I have tremendous evidence. ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

I'd say it looks like a higher percentage of armed people than current times. PavePusher Dec 2011 #22

Meaningless pipoman Dec 2011 #31

So I'm right... ellisonz Dec 2011 #36

Yeah, sure can, pipoman Dec 2011 #70

I'm sure they just loved... ellisonz Dec 2011 #71

Except pipoman Dec 2011 #79

Again, what threat is a "gun horder"? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #84

What threat is any form of weapons distribution? ellisonz Dec 2011 #125

I don't know, you tell me. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #140

Reductio ad absurdum. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #146

That was apropos of nothing. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #148

Before the rise of the Union movement BiggJawn Dec 2011 #29

I think our materialist attitudes are not benefitting the country. ellisonz Dec 2011 #37

Do I think paying taxes is my "patriotic duty" BiggJawn Dec 2011 #45

So whats a little more... ellisonz Dec 2011 #67

"Gun control" means hitting your target. BiggJawn Dec 2011 #80

Rick Perry agrees with your stance... ellisonz Dec 2011 #81

Ooh look, more associational fallacy! n/t X_Digger Dec 2011 #82

Hitler breathed air, you must be like Hitler! Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #85

Are you familiar with... ellisonz Dec 2011 #124

Oh, that's right, invoke "Godwin" BiggJawn Dec 2011 #130

Yes, I'm aware of Godwin's rule. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #139

And Rick Perry probably breathes air, too. BiggJawn Dec 2011 #129

My son was more than delighted with his present. As for "cheap guns" oneshooter Dec 2011 #6

I bought my son his first 22 last Christmas. ileus Dec 2011 #7

Good for him! I've heard the 7mm-08 is an excellent deer round. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #60

"Boys with toys...that kill. " Its sad to see you posting things like that already. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #10

I'll offer substantive discussion when its requested... ellisonz Dec 2011 #11

We can agree on some things... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #12

We can agree on some things... ellisonz Dec 2011 #13

for example? gejohnston Dec 2011 #14

I make up my own mind. ellisonz Dec 2011 #15

isn't the logical extension that gejohnston Dec 2011 #17

No. ellisonz Dec 2011 #19

I'll bet you hoard books, don't you. Straw Man Dec 2011 #21

Stamp hoarders are the worst. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #24

Americans take it much further than any of those peoples. ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

I was addressing the notion that glorification of violence is an American trait Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #43

I really don't have many books and they certainly don't clutter. ellisonz Dec 2011 #39

So are librarians "hoarders"? Straw Man Dec 2011 #93

Pretzel logic... ellisonz Dec 2011 #99

Whose? Straw Man Dec 2011 #102

I hoard Spoons. BiggJawn Dec 2011 #30

If your house was chock full of kitchenware... ellisonz Dec 2011 #41

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My collection is realitivly small, 200 or so pieces. It is a diverse collection oneshooter Dec 2011 #62

You'll sure be ready when... ellisonz Dec 2011 #76

Say what? Straw Man Dec 2011 #94

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #101

No, not OK. Straw Man Dec 2011 #103

Oh noes! Thousands of rounds! Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #87

You really don't understand do you... ellisonz Dec 2011 #89

I'm afraid it's YOU who doesn't understand. Straw Man Dec 2011 #97

Whatever you say... ellisonz Dec 2011 #98

What, no cartoons? Straw Man Dec 2011 #104

Either the way...it burns. ellisonz Dec 2011 #106

OK, that's three things we know: Straw Man Dec 2011 #107

You might want to re-check your numbering there... ellisonz Dec 2011 #109

Thanks, pal. I fixed it. Straw Man Dec 2011 #111

You're welcome. ellisonz Dec 2011 #114

Krauthammer is on YOUR side. Straw Man Dec 2011 #117

I don't spend my time reading Krauthhammer... ellisonz Dec 2011 #120

Sauce, goose, gander. Straw Man Dec 2011 #123

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Buying ammo in bulk is now.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #135

Illustrated. ellisonz Dec 2011 #145

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So now reloading ammunition is an abuse of the second amendment? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #138

Cooking off of ammunition is not that dangerous. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #137

"that appear to be of useless or of limited value" DissedByBush Dec 2011 #86

Please use the google. ellisonz Dec 2011 #90

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... ellisonz Dec 2011 #149

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EXTREME HYPERBOLE ALERT nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #23

Yet way back when gun crime wasn't so much a problem DissedByBush Dec 2011 #27

Very few people bought Thompson Submachine Guns... ellisonz Dec 2011 #42

The famous Thompson ad DissedByBush Dec 2011 #48

Some corrections, here... SteveW Dec 2011 #66

What do you think the intent is? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #88

�We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun,� ― Henry David Thoreau, Walden SteveW Dec 2011 #58

Misquote. ellisonz Dec 2011 #61

Nope. SteveW Dec 2011 #69

" Have you passed through, or are you still standing on the brink, finger-in-mouth?" ellisonz Dec 2011 #126

Nope. SteveW Dec 2011 #156

Writers who abuse hyperbole deserve to be taken out and shot slackmaster Dec 2011 #68

I got a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas when I was seven. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #16

I got my first real rifle when I was 9. Still have it in my collection. oneshooter Dec 2011 #26

It makes you a rude horder... pipoman Dec 2011 #32

*hoarder* n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #59

Temujin? Is that you? After all these years... ! n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #136

Did you shoot your eye out? :) nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #33