Gun Control & RKBA

safeinOhio

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60. OK, then for 200 years

Reply to gejohnston (Reply #59)

Mon May 21, 2012, 08:49 AM

May 2012

the 2nd was a collective right?

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Think about the consequences of demanding ever more and more gun control laws [View all] bluestateguy May 2012 OP

to some people, yes. gejohnston May 2012 #1

Perhaps you could list the gun laws the gun controllers are advocating Angry Dragon May 2012 #2

Bans on semi-automatic weapons bluestateguy May 2012 #8

I think all of the issue you have listed safeinOhio May 2012 #10

Rights are not... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #15

"Rights are not subject to democracy." Really? Starboard Tack May 2012 #105

Really? Really! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #106

The one that said whites could no longer own slaves. (13th Amendment) Starboard Tack May 2012 #108

Addressing your list :) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #110

Couldn't agree more. Starboard Tack May 2012 #124

The RKBA... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #127

"Guns will always be available." Starboard Tack May 2012 #128

I hope they won't be banned when they're obsolete Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #129

I agree. I just hope we come up with a better solution for those who feel a need to carry. Starboard Tack May 2012 #136

reverse Reaganomics gejohnston May 2012 #137

Makes sense to me. Starboard Tack May 2012 #142

Well...in a few hundred years... Clames May 2012 #131

Less lethal weapons... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #132

Less effective if one's intent is to kill maybe. Starboard Tack May 2012 #138

A less lethal weapon... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #141

once this happens gejohnston May 2012 #135

No regs for the people. Only for the manufacturers and sellers. Starboard Tack May 2012 #139

Nonviolent street robbery is only one type of encounter Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #140

To be brutally honest, "democracy" didn't decide it wasn't a right. Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #107

It could be argued that way. Starboard Tack May 2012 #109

Okay. Callisto32 May 2012 #23

Its not the guns that need control... liberal N proud May 2012 #3

I use to visit the county jail. safeinOhio May 2012 #4

We basiclly agree, however gejohnston May 2012 #6

The Swizz model for gun rights safeinOhio May 2012 #7

That was the idea for the military gejohnston May 2012 #11

I enjoy Thom too, but on this I think he's dead wrong Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #12

"I enjoy Thom too, but on this I think he's dead wrong." Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #30

Not for taking away legal guns. safeinOhio May 2012 #45

Well with one... Clames May 2012 #52

What is your, workable solution safeinOhio May 2012 #57

My idea for at least a credible effort towards a... Clames May 2012 #67

Regulation of fully automatic weapons seems to safeinOhio May 2012 #70

not the same thing gejohnston May 2012 #75

Really? Not mass produced. safeinOhio May 2012 #78

compare their production and price with say gejohnston May 2012 #80

Semi-auto AK47s safeinOhio May 2012 #81

BWAHAAHAHA... Clames May 2012 #85

I'll pass what you said to all safeinOhio May 2012 #87

Go ahead... Clames May 2012 #90

Even better than teabaggers. safeinOhio May 2012 #91

that is an increadbly low bar gejohnston May 2012 #92

Very true. Clames May 2012 #93

Almost all of the outlaw clubs, starting with the Hells Angels, safeinOhio May 2012 #94

I'm not saying anything at about veterans... Clames May 2012 #95

Talking about outlaw clubs safeinOhio May 2012 #96

Talking about outlaw clubs means... Clames May 2012 #97

Not in the least, safeinOhio May 2012 #98

Well then do yourself (and veterans)... Clames May 2012 #99

Sorry if you feel insulted. safeinOhio May 2012 #101

he isn't the only one. Your attitude about veterans smells to high heaven. oneshooter May 2012 #102

I think his attitude toward safeinOhio May 2012 #103

The numbers of vets who are members of "outlaw" clubs.... PavePusher May 2012 #112

True, but a large number safeinOhio May 2012 #113

Wow, out of date... Clames May 2012 #116

Out of date? safeinOhio May 2012 #118

So these are the veterans you hold in high esteem m Clames May 2012 #121

Fact is I believe in redemption. safeinOhio May 2012 #122

Good for you... Clames May 2012 #123

Like I said, I believe in redemption. safeinOhio May 2012 #125

Good. Clames May 2012 #126

You always make your post personal. safeinOhio May 2012 #130

Anger and hate? You really don't know me... Clames May 2012 #133

OK, safeinOhio May 2012 #134

Handguns aren't useful? Huh. PavePusher May 2012 #72

A handgun is a usefull way to get to a real gun.(rifle/shotgun) n/t oneshooter May 2012 #100

You might talk them into issuing them to the safeinOhio May 2012 #104

They do so quite frequently. n/t PavePusher May 2012 #111

Really, frequently? safeinOhio May 2012 #114

Yes, the M9 9mm handgun is... Clames May 2012 #115

Could be wrong, but I thought safeinOhio May 2012 #117

Your knowledge is somewhat out of date. PavePusher May 2012 #119

Out of date doctrine. Clames May 2012 #120

self-defense is not talked about or mentioned in the 2nd. safeinOhio May 2012 #17

"security of a free State" arguably begins with security of the individual. PavePusher May 2012 #22

not the same thing gejohnston May 2012 #29

I don't think you have read what the ACLU says about safeinOhio May 2012 #35

As the ACLU does not take a position on "gun control", safeinOhio May 2012 #37

I mentioned Vermont only in that gejohnston May 2012 #46

Great, lets take Arizona safeinOhio May 2012 #47

Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc gejohnston May 2012 #50

Thank you for your opinion. safeinOhio May 2012 #71

Now who's using bad comparisons? n/t PavePusher May 2012 #74

And what century are you living in? Clames May 2012 #33

Of course it is not lesser or subordinate when safeinOhio May 2012 #34

If it applies to the militia bearing arms, Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #36

They are safeinOhio May 2012 #39

The Constitution didn't even envision a permanent select militia, Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #40

Have a standing army. safeinOhio May 2012 #41

I don't follow... Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #42

Please see post #7 safeinOhio May 2012 #43

So what is it that you are trying to say here? Clames May 2012 #53

Yes, pretty much. safeinOhio May 2012 #55

Not surprised you would advocate for something like that. Clames May 2012 #58

You don't surprise me much either. safeinOhio May 2012 #62

what did he say that was right wing? gejohnston May 2012 #63

To assume that the whole country is against any form of safeinOhio May 2012 #65

no one is assuming any such thing gejohnston May 2012 #68

Really? safeinOhio May 2012 #69

How would the feds regulate intra state gejohnston May 2012 #73

Laws can and should be changed safeinOhio May 2012 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #83

See United States v. Freed. safeinOhio May 2012 #84

do you bother to read links? gejohnston May 2012 #88

I suppose you could charge them with illegally obtaining it, Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #89

1. So what? PavePusher May 2012 #76

Only posts in the gun forum? Clames May 2012 #77

Carl T. Bogus gejohnston May 2012 #48

Ok, then perhaps you might site safeinOhio May 2012 #56

why 1960? gejohnston May 2012 #59

OK, then for 200 years safeinOhio May 2012 #60

No it was not gejohnston May 2012 #61

The collective right theory existed in the 18 century. History matters. safeinOhio May 2012 #64

Why don't you post all of it? Clames May 2012 #54

On guns, Thom is incredibly dishonest Glaug-Eldare May 2012 #44

6 of one, half dozen of the other Tejas May 2012 #26

Get rid of speed laws too! bongbong May 2012 #5

You laugh... Callisto32 May 2012 #24

it is reasonable for speed limits... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #28

limits bongbong May 2012 #49

I found a picture of one of those "gun-religionists" you mention: friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #79

Think about the consequences of a failed gun control policy... ellisonz May 2012 #9

Higher rates of murder and other gun violence? hack89 May 2012 #51

I don't think such laws will subject gun culture to a pitiful plight. Hoyt May 2012 #13

Democrats Should Distance Themselves From Gun Control herberto55 May 2012 #14

Well said mvccd1000 May 2012 #18

I guess I'm not seeing the demand... Permanut May 2012 #16

Well, apparently you have not been reading or hearing the safeinOhio May 2012 #19

Dang, I missed the super secret plan... Permanut May 2012 #20

NRA propaganda is very badly done Skittles May 2012 #21

I don't believe that our President "is coming for my guns", but neither do I believe Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #27

I get laugh out of it, everytime the COPs pick up anyone for drugs doc03 May 2012 #25

Great topic. I think California provides a realistic example of what happens. slackmaster May 2012 #31

In some cites/localities the war on guns is starting to look like the war on drugs ProgressiveProfessor May 2012 #32

How many more useless roadblocks do they need..lets try freedom for a change. ileus May 2012 #38

Actually, yes. bluestateguy May 2012 #86

Just another form of micro-mangement. nt Remmah2 May 2012 #66