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In reply to the discussion: Indian student murdered in Salford street attack (in UK, unprovoked attack) [View all]ellisonz
(27,776 posts)44. It's not hard to find links.
In fact, it's common knowledge.
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...
T08/2009
The Second Wave: Return of the Militias
The 1990s saw the rise and fall of the virulently antigovernment "Patriot" movement, made up of paramilitary militias, tax defiers and so-called "sovereign citizens." Sparked by a combination of anger at the federal government and the deaths of political dissenters at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the movement took off in the middle of the decade and continued to grow even after 168 people were left dead by the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building an attack, the deadliest ever by domestic U.S. terrorists, carried out by men steeped in the rhetoric and conspiracy theories of the militias. In the years that followed, a truly remarkable number of criminal plots came out of the movement. But by early this century, the Patriots had largely faded, weakened by systematic prosecutions, aversion to growing violence, and a new, highly conservative president.
They're back. Almost a decade after largely disappearing from public view, right-wing militias, ideologically driven tax defiers and sovereign citizens are appearing in large numbers around the country. "Paper terrorism" the use of property liens and citizens' "courts" to harass enemies is on the rise. And once-popular militia conspiracy theories are making the rounds again, this time accompanied by nativist theories about secret Mexican plans to "reconquer" the American Southwest. One law enforcement agency has found 50 new militia training groups one of them made up of present and former police officers and soldiers. Authorities around the country are reporting a worrying uptick in Patriot activities and propaganda. "This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," says one. "All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."
A key difference this time is that the federal government the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy is headed by a black man. That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate. One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama. At the same time, ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president's country of birth.
Fifteen years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote then-Attorney General Janet Reno to warn about extremists in the militia movement, saying that the "mixture of armed groups and those who hate" was "a recipe for disaster." Just six months later, Oklahoma City's federal building was bombed. Today, the Patriot movement may not have the white-hot fury that it did in the 1990s. But the movement clearly is growing again, and Americans, in particular law enforcement officers, need to take the dangers it presents seriously. That is equally true for the politicians, pundits and preachers who, through pandering or ignorance, abet the growth of a movement marked by a proven predilection for violence.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/splc-report-return-of-the-militias
The Second Wave: Return of the Militias
The 1990s saw the rise and fall of the virulently antigovernment "Patriot" movement, made up of paramilitary militias, tax defiers and so-called "sovereign citizens." Sparked by a combination of anger at the federal government and the deaths of political dissenters at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the movement took off in the middle of the decade and continued to grow even after 168 people were left dead by the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building an attack, the deadliest ever by domestic U.S. terrorists, carried out by men steeped in the rhetoric and conspiracy theories of the militias. In the years that followed, a truly remarkable number of criminal plots came out of the movement. But by early this century, the Patriots had largely faded, weakened by systematic prosecutions, aversion to growing violence, and a new, highly conservative president.
They're back. Almost a decade after largely disappearing from public view, right-wing militias, ideologically driven tax defiers and sovereign citizens are appearing in large numbers around the country. "Paper terrorism" the use of property liens and citizens' "courts" to harass enemies is on the rise. And once-popular militia conspiracy theories are making the rounds again, this time accompanied by nativist theories about secret Mexican plans to "reconquer" the American Southwest. One law enforcement agency has found 50 new militia training groups one of them made up of present and former police officers and soldiers. Authorities around the country are reporting a worrying uptick in Patriot activities and propaganda. "This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," says one. "All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."
A key difference this time is that the federal government the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy is headed by a black man. That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate. One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama. At the same time, ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president's country of birth.
Fifteen years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote then-Attorney General Janet Reno to warn about extremists in the militia movement, saying that the "mixture of armed groups and those who hate" was "a recipe for disaster." Just six months later, Oklahoma City's federal building was bombed. Today, the Patriot movement may not have the white-hot fury that it did in the 1990s. But the movement clearly is growing again, and Americans, in particular law enforcement officers, need to take the dangers it presents seriously. That is equally true for the politicians, pundits and preachers who, through pandering or ignorance, abet the growth of a movement marked by a proven predilection for violence.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/splc-report-return-of-the-militias
BTW nice job of getting right up on the line and just putting a single toe over it.
If you feel I'm out of line, please alert.
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Indian student murdered in Salford street attack (in UK, unprovoked attack) [View all]
alp227
Dec 2011
OP
Doesn't happen often. Brits don't want guns. No NRA blowing smoke. People live without them.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#1
Thank God for ATF plants at Aryan Nation get-togethers. Weaver and anyone like him is a terrorist.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#17
I suppose you've never fucked up. I hope they keep the pressure on the Weaver type gunners.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#23
'Entrapment?" -- ATF approaches Weaver at racist Ayran Nation meeting and Weaver agrees to supply
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#24
Gun culture will be defending Koresh shortly. Even though he had 51 days to surrender after killing
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#28
It's unfair to mention the fact he didn't use guns for his terrorism.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#36
Why not? We could also point out that they use computers to communicate with each other.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#51
Can we blame "the gun culture" for the Weather Underground as well?
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#88
Why not? Note how many terrorist attacks happened in 'civilized' Europe before WW1
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#90
Who said Weaver, a racist -- living in a compound -- would not normally do that? LMAO
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#33
Yes, even though they don't give due process and Weaver was supplier of executioner's weapon.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#55
What "executioner's weapon" was that? Short-barrelled shotguns are legal.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#56
I guess you can't see difference between a member of Ayran Nation (Weaver) and political opinion?
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#25
By golly if you go to Ayran Nation "events", you are a member, sympathizer, racist, and worse.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#66
I know, Weaver is one of the upstanding gun owners the "gun culture" likes to tout.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#67
Didn't read past "insulate yourself from its underclass" BS. Sounds like British TBaggery to me.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#9
If so, nothing came of it. Nothing's been hidden since January 2 n/t
friendly_iconoclast
Jan 2012
#81
Unfortuiantely I don't have a list of all the witers who have views oppose yours...
spin
Jan 2012
#93
Gunner = short for member of "gun culture" = euphemism for "guns on the brain" and in waistband to
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#32
Fear in this context = having to strap a gun or two on before venturing out in public.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#68
The Swiss? You mean the Swiss who have more than two million guns in their homes?
TheWraith
Jan 2012
#86
Everyone in the UK knows that guns kill people...danger danger gunz are bad! The UK needs a gun ban.
ileus
Dec 2011
#7
Apparently Scalia's opinions are abhorrent- unless he agrees with them....
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#52