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ellisonz

(27,776 posts)
44. It's not hard to find links.
Tue Dec 27, 2011, 08:34 PM
Dec 2011

In fact, it's common knowledge.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink...

T08/2009
The Second Wave: Return of the Militias

The 1990s saw the rise and fall of the virulently antigovernment "Patriot" movement, made up of paramilitary militias, tax defiers and so-called "sovereign citizens." Sparked by a combination of anger at the federal government and the deaths of political dissenters at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Texas, the movement took off in the middle of the decade and continued to grow even after 168 people were left dead by the 1995 bombing of Oklahoma City's federal building — an attack, the deadliest ever by domestic U.S. terrorists, carried out by men steeped in the rhetoric and conspiracy theories of the militias. In the years that followed, a truly remarkable number of criminal plots came out of the movement. But by early this century, the Patriots had largely faded, weakened by systematic prosecutions, aversion to growing violence, and a new, highly conservative president.

They're back. Almost a decade after largely disappearing from public view, right-wing militias, ideologically driven tax defiers and sovereign citizens are appearing in large numbers around the country. "Paper terrorism" — the use of property liens and citizens' "courts" to harass enemies — is on the rise. And once-popular militia conspiracy theories are making the rounds again, this time accompanied by nativist theories about secret Mexican plans to "reconquer" the American Southwest. One law enforcement agency has found 50 new militia training groups — one of them made up of present and former police officers and soldiers. Authorities around the country are reporting a worrying uptick in Patriot activities and propaganda. "This is the most significant growth we've seen in 10 to 12 years," says one. "All it's lacking is a spark. I think it's only a matter of time before you see threats and violence."

A key difference this time is that the federal government — the entity that almost the entire radical right views as its primary enemy — is headed by a black man. That, coupled with high levels of non-white immigration and a decline in the percentage of whites overall in America, has helped to racialize the Patriot movement, which in the past was not primarily motivated by race hate. One result has been a remarkable rash of domestic terror incidents since the presidential campaign, most of them related to anger over the election of Barack Obama. At the same time, ostensibly mainstream politicians and media pundits have helped to spread Patriot and related propaganda, from conspiracy theories about a secret network of U.S. concentration camps to wholly unsubstantiated claims about the president's country of birth.

Fifteen years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote then-Attorney General Janet Reno to warn about extremists in the militia movement, saying that the "mixture of armed groups and those who hate" was "a recipe for disaster." Just six months later, Oklahoma City's federal building was bombed. Today, the Patriot movement may not have the white-hot fury that it did in the 1990s. But the movement clearly is growing again, and Americans, in particular law enforcement officers, need to take the dangers it presents seriously. That is equally true for the politicians, pundits and preachers who, through pandering or ignorance, abet the growth of a movement marked by a proven predilection for violence.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/publications/splc-report-return-of-the-militias


BTW nice job of getting right up on the line and just putting a single toe over it.

If you feel I'm out of line, please alert.

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Doesn't happen often. Brits don't want guns. No NRA blowing smoke. People live without them. Hoyt Dec 2011 #1
What are your thoughts on Weaver? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #2
Oh ghod, no..... PavePusher Dec 2011 #4
So, what are your thoughts on Weaver? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #5
Weaver was a racist fuck, who sold illegal guns and had the intellect of a hog. Hoyt Dec 2011 #8
Well he did make some rather dumb decisions.... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2011 #11
At the very least. Hoyt Dec 2011 #13
Racist right, the rest... DissedByBush Dec 2011 #16
Thank God for ATF plants at Aryan Nation get-togethers. Weaver and anyone like him is a terrorist. Hoyt Dec 2011 #17
unfortunately gejohnston Dec 2011 #18
I suppose you've never fucked up. I hope they keep the pressure on the Weaver type gunners. Hoyt Dec 2011 #23
"By any means necessary?" nt SteveW Dec 2011 #30
You would hope DissedByBush Dec 2011 #19
'Entrapment?" -- ATF approaches Weaver at racist Ayran Nation meeting and Weaver agrees to supply Hoyt Dec 2011 #24
Timmy McVeigh... ellisonz Dec 2011 #27
Gun culture will be defending Koresh shortly. Even though he had 51 days to surrender after killing Hoyt Dec 2011 #28
They just don't care about the rest of us... ellisonz Dec 2011 #38
Hmm, this sounds a lot like Union Scribe Dec 2011 #58
Coulda sworn he was a product of Big Ag Products Culture. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #31
You think that's a funny remark? nt ellisonz Dec 2011 #35
Gotcha! nt SteveW Dec 2011 #41
It's a stupid, denialist remark. ellisonz Dec 2011 #42
Right on target, buddy. You seem up on Timmy McVeigh and his fans... SteveW Dec 2011 #43
It's not hard to find links. ellisonz Dec 2011 #44
A common enough catch-all cite from SPL? Old stuff. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #46
2009? Old. ellisonz Dec 2011 #47
It's old. And a re-hash at that. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #50
It's unfair to mention the fact he didn't use guns for his terrorism. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #36
Shall we start listing all those gun culture fans.... ellisonz Dec 2011 #39
Why not? We could also point out that they use computers to communicate with each other. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #51
Product of the agricultural fertilizer culture you mean? hack89 Jan 2012 #83
"Timmy McVeigh never shot a person in his life." ellisonz Jan 2012 #87
Can we blame "the gun culture" for the Weather Underground as well? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #88
No. ellisonz Jan 2012 #89
Why not? Note how many terrorist attacks happened in 'civilized' Europe before WW1 friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #90
I have been immersed for 30 years and I am still a progressive democrat hack89 Jan 2012 #92
Over three years DissedByBush Dec 2011 #54
Who said Weaver, a racist -- living in a compound -- would not normally do that? LMAO Hoyt Dec 2011 #33
Since when is a cabin in the woods with a small storage shed a "compound"? beevul Dec 2011 #64
Do you think Aryan Nation/terrorists are deserving of due process? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #29
Yes, even though they don't give due process and Weaver was supplier of executioner's weapon. Hoyt Dec 2011 #55
What "executioner's weapon" was that? Short-barrelled shotguns are legal. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #56
And that missed court date was because DissedByBush Dec 2011 #57
"Well, in all this horse manure there must be a pony...." SteveW Dec 2011 #59
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #21
I guess you can't see difference between a member of Ayran Nation (Weaver) and political opinion? Hoyt Dec 2011 #25
Wrong rl6214 Dec 2011 #60
Weaver didn't belong to "aryan nation". beevul Dec 2011 #65
By golly if you go to Ayran Nation "events", you are a member, sympathizer, racist, and worse. Hoyt Dec 2011 #66
I know, Weaver is one of the upstanding gun owners the "gun culture" likes to tout. Hoyt Dec 2011 #67
If only someone had said that. beevul Dec 2011 #70
"Doesn't happen often" rrneck Dec 2011 #3
Home invasions are common in the U.K. spin Dec 2011 #6
Didn't read past "insulate yourself from its underclass" BS. Sounds like British TBaggery to me. Hoyt Dec 2011 #9
The rest wouldn't have interested you anyhow ... spin Dec 2011 #10
more like 1 percenterbaggery to me gejohnston Dec 2011 #12
Sounds to me like you are obssessed with tbagging rl6214 Dec 2011 #22
I drop by here to alert on a post and I find this iverglas Jan 2012 #77
Well, did you get that post alerted on? n/t oneshooter Jan 2012 #78
If so, nothing came of it. Nothing's been hidden since January 2 n/t friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #81
post 21 iverglas Jan 2012 #82
I stand corrected. Congratulations on another gun control victory. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #84
no, really, congratulations on another misrepresentation iverglas Jan 2012 #85
Yes. Straw Man Jan 2012 #91
Hey, we put up with Michael Bloomberg fans. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2012 #80
Unfortuiantely I don't have a list of all the witers who have views oppose yours... spin Jan 2012 #93
well, you need to make some time iverglas Jan 2012 #94
. krispos42 Dec 2011 #14
any chance you're going to update that thing? iverglas Jan 2012 #79
"brits don't want guns. " and you know this how? rl6214 Dec 2011 #20
Gunner = short for member of "gun culture" = euphemism for "guns on the brain" and in waistband to Hoyt Dec 2011 #32
Made up term by bigots that live in fear rl6214 Dec 2011 #61
Fear in this context = having to strap a gun or two on before venturing out in public. Hoyt Dec 2011 #68
I think the only strap on here is by you rl6214 Dec 2011 #69
The Swiss? You mean the Swiss who have more than two million guns in their homes? TheWraith Jan 2012 #86
Everyone in the UK knows that guns kill people...danger danger gunz are bad! The UK needs a gun ban. ileus Dec 2011 #7
The UK needs to ban slim white guys in their 20's. Glassunion Dec 2011 #15
Whew! That leaves this old fat-gutted Cracker out of the loop! nt SteveW Dec 2011 #34
Could be English Defence League fucks... ellisonz Dec 2011 #26
Do you think there should be political tests for gun ownership? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #37
I think there should be an interview to determine... ellisonz Dec 2011 #40
Who wrote that quote from Heller? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #45
Gun rights activists. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #48
And you agree with that statement? SteveW Dec 2011 #49
Apparently Scalia's opinions are abhorrent- unless he agrees with them.... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #52
Yeah, play bull-in-the-ring enough & you lose track of your own direction. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #75
"It's way past 4:20." ellisonz Dec 2011 #63
Oh, fiddle-d-dee. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #74
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #53
Should there also be interviews before exercising any other rights? n/t oneshooter Dec 2011 #72
How would you see it done? Glassunion Dec 2011 #73
Yeah, that handgun ban really works for them, don't it? BiggJawn Dec 2011 #62
Thats not what its about man. beevul Dec 2011 #71
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