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In reply to the discussion: Is it proper for a "scientist" to be seen with an advocacy group [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)51. really?
Yes I do, but there is also regurgitating what someone else says, without any are a very good explanation on why it matters, and being more honest about it.
(a) you don't seem to engage with the actual science, all you do is accuse all of the scientists of serial dishonesty when their results don't support your ideology, and
(b) you have a habit of making things up on the spot when the facts don't go your way.
I question their honesty. I do no such thing, how about you actually give an example? I do believe you project a lot.
(b) you have a habit of making things up on the spot when the facts don't go your way.
a) they are privately funded
(b) they support both scientific research as well as political advocacy and advertisements designed for the general audience
(c) right-wing loons and industry propagandists think they are "biased"
(b) they support both scientific research as well as political advocacy and advertisements designed for the general audience
(c) right-wing loons and industry propagandists think they are "biased"
The biggest difference one supports research to find cures or treatments to cancer, and not research trying to prove tobacco causes cancer. I have never seen industry propagandists attacking the ACS.
Speaking of political intervention into the scientific process, one fact that (surprise!) doesn't seem to bother you one bit is that a reason that you see private funding of gun violence studies is because the NRA used its political influence in congress to cut off the CDC's funding of gun violence research. This, of course, is by far the biggest distortion of the scientific process that has occurred in all of gun violence research, but you with your insistence on scientific purity don't seem to care at all.
Is the CDC actually the proper agency to deal with crime? IIRC, one of the studies in question was Kellerman's "a gun is a magical talisman" study. That did smack of advocacy, which makes it different than the others. Stem cells, for example, researchers were looking for ways to use them to cure diseases, not advocate their use or not. That may be nitpicky to you, it is actually a big difference.
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LOL. I guess this is what passes for backing your statements with proof in pro-gunner land...
DanTex
May 2012
#27
And I assume you're equally opposed to scientists working with the American Cancer Society...
DanTex
May 2012
#3
And it continues... No substance. Joyce! Something you made up! Kleck is your hero!
DanTex
May 2012
#20
I noticed that you did not refute what he said, but chose to play the "right-winger" card
friendly_iconoclast
May 2012
#40
I don't see a problem with an interest group in a particular area honoring a researcher
petronius
May 2012
#28
That's certainly the risk an academic takes in this situation - but a free dinner
petronius
May 2012
#33