Gun Control & RKBA

mvccd1000

(1,534 posts) Wed Dec 28, 2011, 12:47 AM Dec 2011

Another "just give them what they want" situation... [View all]

... that didn't end well, as they so often don't. Why are some here so anxious to take away any means of self-defense?

http://www.wyff4.com/news/30081815/detail.html

"KERSHAW COUNTY, S.C. -- Kershaw County deputies say a man followed a 30-year-old woman who was shopping, kidnapped her, sexually assaulted her, killed her and left her body in a field on Monday.

According to investigators, Beverly Hope Melton called her grandmother on Monday afternoon and said that a man was following her near a Jefferson store and she was afraid.

Kershaw County Sheriff Jim Matthews said that Chesterfield County deputies responded to the reported abduction and found Melton’s car in a ditch on Angelus Road near Jefferson. The car was in reverse, still running, and Melton’s pocketbook was still inside, deputies said.

Deputies went to the convenience store where Melton had been earlier in the day. Investigators said surveillance video from the store showed 23-year-old Nickolas Miller harassing Melton. They said the video also showed Miller’s vehicle.

A be-on-the-alert was issued for the vehicle, and a Chesterfield County deputy pulled Miller over a short time later, according to a police release. Miller was escorted to Jefferson Town Hall where he was questioned. Chesterfield County Sheriff Sam Parker said Miller admitted to kidnapping Melton, sexually assaulting her and then beating her to death."

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Surely she stopped the car to just let him take the money; after all, it couldn't have been worth pulling a gun to defend PROPERTY, could it? How was she to know he was after more than just her purse? (Answer: you DON'T know what they're after, which is why it is foolish in the extreme to allow someone to "just take what they want" without making an effort to protect yourself or your family.)

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Another "just give them what they want" situation... [View all] mvccd1000 Dec 2011 OP

I don't see how this story in anyway illustrates your commentary. ellisonz Dec 2011 #1

It's true, she should have called the police ... Kennah Dec 2011 #2

What you do is get a police officer to follow you home... ellisonz Dec 2011 #3

Yeah, sure, good luck with that Kennah Dec 2011 #4

"They protect and serve the general peace." ellisonz Dec 2011 #5

Not unless she was under arrest, and therefore had a "special relationship" with the police... S_B_Jackson Dec 2011 #6

Cynical view of the police... ellisonz Dec 2011 #16

Cynical, Satirical, Farcical, Hypocritical.. what the fuck does that have to do with reality? X_Digger Dec 2011 #26

Keep Digging. ellisonz Dec 2011 #27

Nice dodge. Do you concede that the police have no obligation to come and protect you when you call? X_Digger Dec 2011 #29

*facepalm* ellisonz Dec 2011 #32

What they may try to do is different than what they are legally obligated to do.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #34

palmface SteveW Dec 2011 #68

How did you make the leap ... Kennah Dec 2011 #49

I would suspect that reflects an urban rural divide... ellisonz Dec 2011 #53

You'll have to explain a police investigation into enabling Kennah Dec 2011 #56

Friend who is a police sgt is sitting right next to me and he says rl6214 Dec 2011 #57

Better than nothing... ellisonz Dec 2011 #62

Not cynical, simply a realistic acceptance of their duty and their role. S_B_Jackson Dec 2011 #44

So logically it holds then... ellisonz Dec 2011 #54

No, it means that they *might* S_B_Jackson Dec 2011 #65

The police are not charged with thwarting crime or protecting you... SteveW Dec 2011 #67

This could be a reason for your position DissedByBush Dec 2011 #9

Cynical view of the police... ellisonz Dec 2011 #17

Constitutional view of the police DissedByBush Dec 2011 #23

You mean the same police MicaelS Dec 2011 #47

I take issue with those depictions as being totally accurate... ellisonz Dec 2011 #48

No, she isn't.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #10

Cynical view of the police... ellisonz Dec 2011 #18

It's reality. You might wish it different, or think it should be changed.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #21

Then I expect you to never call the police... ellisonz Dec 2011 #22

Oh, I'll call them to come clean up. I don't expect them to save me. X_Digger Dec 2011 #24

"they can't be held accountable." ellisonz Dec 2011 #25

Here, let me quote *actual text* from the court cases.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #28

*facepalm* ellisonz Dec 2011 #30

Talk to Ruth Bunnell -- oh wait, she's dead. X_Digger Dec 2011 #31

I'm neither denying her right to self-defense nor the beneficies of police departments. ellisonz Dec 2011 #33

And if the police failed to enforce the restraining order? Too bad.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #37

You can stop projecting now... ellisonz Dec 2011 #38

That's a hell of a different statement than you made in post #5. X_Digger Dec 2011 #39

I think they would have... ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

Which was "And as part of the "general" she is entitled to such services..." friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #42

When presented with facts, criticism of attitude follows. X_Digger Dec 2011 #43

Standard operating procedure for someone... SteveW Dec 2011 #69

So she should not have called the police? ellisonz Dec 2011 #45

I must be a heretic then, as I don't own a gun and haven't for 30+ years. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #51

Naah, Tony S. has been wrong on more than one occasion... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #52

Hmmm. More anti-gun cartoons than Brady Center employees? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #70

Undoubtedly. friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #73

Maybe you will answer because no one ever will rl6214 Dec 2011 #58

Sure. ellisonz Dec 2011 #61

I've known a lot of gun owners, none at all like the subset you describe. PavePusher Dec 2011 #66

NOW you're sounding like some gun-controllers here... SteveW Dec 2011 #71

Made up term to make someone sound bad and scary rl6214 Dec 2011 #74

But police have guns, they must be evil. Remmah2 Dec 2011 #15

I've said no such thing. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #35

Why do you continue to post this clear and obvious lie? You have been told many times Fair Witness Dec 2011 #41

Police have NO duty to protect and serve so say the Justices rl6214 Dec 2011 #55

So, what would you have had her do? Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #46

So, what would you have had her do? Kennah Dec 2011 #50

No, I wouldn't. It's not easy to advise the deceased victim of such a horrendous crime. Starboard Tack Dec 2011 #63

How out of touch with reality are you? AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #11

I've never denied the right to self-defense. ellisonz Dec 2011 #36

Then who would protect the donut shops? Remmah2 Dec 2011 #14

Cynical view of the police... ellisonz Dec 2011 #19

Broken record rl6214 Dec 2011 #59

...and how many gun-congroller/prohibitionists end up that way? nt SteveW Dec 2011 #72

It shows her level of confidence in law enforcement Remmah2 Dec 2011 #13

Not when you fumble and it gets used against you... ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

Of course you can cite all the times this has happened rl6214 Dec 2011 #60

In a perfect world, the police respond in a timely manner Deejai Dec 2011 #7

Which is why many of us choose to carry the tools required to protect ourselves. AtheistCrusader Dec 2011 #12

self-defense is mean....why deny someone the little things in life. ileus Dec 2011 #8

It's rude is what it is. LAGC Dec 2011 #64