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In reply to the discussion: Foreign Policy by the NRA? The Prospect of Gingrich and Bolton. [View all]ellisonz
(27,776 posts)86. Addition in response to your edit:
You do realize that there was a man CCWing in a store nearby that day. He couldn't stop it. Don't you realize that someone like Loughner could just hector our politicians like that?
Gabrielle Giffords gun control positions:
Ban semi-automatics; but allow concealed carry
Indicate which principles you support concerning gun issues.
Ban the sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns, except those used for hunting.
Maintain and strengthen the enforcement of existing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
Allow citizens to carry concealed guns.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.
Require background checks of gun buyers at gun shows.
Source: 2000 Arizona State National Political Awareness Test Nov 1, 2000
Giffords signed H.R.197&S.845
Establishes a national standard for the carrying of concealed firearms (other than a machinegun or destructive device) by non-residents. Authorizes a person who has a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state and who is not prohibited from carrying a firearm under federal law to carry a concealed firearm in another state:
Notwithstanding any law of any State, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing a firearm and is carrying a valid license to carry a concealed firearm may carry in another State a concealed firearm.
If such other State issues licenses to carry concealed firearms, the person may carry a concealed firearm in the State under the same restrictions which apply in that State.
If such other State does not issue licenses to carry concealed firearms, the person may not carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a courthouse, at a meeting of a governing body, in a school, at an athletic event, in an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages, or inside an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by State law.
Source: National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act 09-HR197 on Jan 6, 2009
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords_Gun_Control.htm
Ban semi-automatics; but allow concealed carry
Indicate which principles you support concerning gun issues.
Ban the sale or transfer of semi-automatic guns, except those used for hunting.
Maintain and strengthen the enforcement of existing state restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
Allow citizens to carry concealed guns.
Require manufacturers to provide child-safety locks on guns.
Require background checks of gun buyers at gun shows.
Source: 2000 Arizona State National Political Awareness Test Nov 1, 2000
Giffords signed H.R.197&S.845
Establishes a national standard for the carrying of concealed firearms (other than a machinegun or destructive device) by non-residents. Authorizes a person who has a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state and who is not prohibited from carrying a firearm under federal law to carry a concealed firearm in another state:
Notwithstanding any law of any State, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing a firearm and is carrying a valid license to carry a concealed firearm may carry in another State a concealed firearm.
If such other State issues licenses to carry concealed firearms, the person may carry a concealed firearm in the State under the same restrictions which apply in that State.
If such other State does not issue licenses to carry concealed firearms, the person may not carry a concealed firearm in a police station, in a courthouse, at a meeting of a governing body, in a school, at an athletic event, in an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages, or inside an airport, except to the extent expressly permitted by State law.
Source: National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act 09-HR197 on Jan 6, 2009
http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Gabby_Giffords_Gun_Control.htm
Giffords feared being shot at event
By Jordan Fabian - 01/19/11 08:37 AM ET
The husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords said his wife feared being shot at a public event with constituents.
In his first interview since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and 18 others were shot on Jan. 8 at a public event in Tucson, Ariz., astronaut Mark Kelly said that his wife and he had discussed the possibility of violence against her at least 10 times before.
"You know, she says, 'Someday, I'm really worried that somebody is going to come up to me at one of these events with a gun,' " he told ABC News's Diane Sawyer.
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"Maybe we could use this as an opportunity to make things better," he said. "Maybe it's time to just tone it down, try to get back to a better place, try to get to a place where we can just disagree, and get rid of the heated, angry rhetoric."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/138701-giffords-husband-said-she-feared-shooting
By Jordan Fabian - 01/19/11 08:37 AM ET
The husband of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords said his wife feared being shot at a public event with constituents.
In his first interview since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) and 18 others were shot on Jan. 8 at a public event in Tucson, Ariz., astronaut Mark Kelly said that his wife and he had discussed the possibility of violence against her at least 10 times before.
"You know, she says, 'Someday, I'm really worried that somebody is going to come up to me at one of these events with a gun,' " he told ABC News's Diane Sawyer.
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"Maybe we could use this as an opportunity to make things better," he said. "Maybe it's time to just tone it down, try to get back to a better place, try to get to a place where we can just disagree, and get rid of the heated, angry rhetoric."
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/138701-giffords-husband-said-she-feared-shooting
"Despite her stated support, gun rights groups typically give her low grades on the topic. She has a D+ rating from the National Rifle Association (NRA)[98] and a D from the Gun Owners of America (GOA).[99]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabriel_Giffords#Gun_rights
Gabrielle Giffords did not support your position on gun rights - wake up! And yes, I've been to Tucson...
Seriously, your positions are absurd...you have no right to carry at political events.
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Agreed. Have you read Kopel's outstanding scene-by scene takedown of Moore's garbage?
Simo 1939_1940
Dec 2011
#148
Not without compensation, it doesn't. How will you pay for them? And hypothetically..
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#72
You propose to tell 80 million people that you're going to take their property?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#101
What "festering problems" would those be? Can't be the violent crime and murder rates...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#129
Nice of you to highlight the 'status offense' part I already pointed out.
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2011
#119
Minneapolis Star v. Minnesota Commissioner of Revenue, for another.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#128
"we" will confiscate? Do you have a turd in your pocket? You are more than welcome to
Fair Witness
Dec 2011
#133
Not such inane ideas at all. Maybe some of you need to get your "head" out of your gun barrels.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#19
Most folks don't know anything about bombs, poisons, etc., but we regulate them. Plenty of examples.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#22
We are talking about private explosives, etc., not military. Besides, you want to arm populace.
Hoyt
Dec 2011
#28
Feel free. I said you were not the first person to preface a bigoted comment with a disclaimer.
Fair Witness
Dec 2011
#163
Sort of like your "long-range laser sniper sights", or whatever hoodooo you claimed? n/t
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#34
"I suspect that you favor the incremental approach to eventually banning all firearms."
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#15
He doesn't have to convince you- you need to persuade the Supreme Court of your stance.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#79
How many far-right Republican judges did you need to get that Supreme Court case?
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#82
Of course it's the government limiting itself- see the anti-federalists' writings.
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#116
Mere exercise of a Constitutional Right within sight of a political figure....
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#49
I haven't asserted anything other than that the SS is there to do a particular job...
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#104
Well, your opinion of legal carriers is now well known. Nothing I can add to your vitriol and fear.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#174
"How does this not violate the First Amendment right to peaceable assembly?"
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#67
What position? That the indeterminate proximity of a elected public servent...
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#107
Firstly, no-one claimed any legally armed person can guarantee anyones' safety...
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#109
You've moved all your goal-posts (yes, we saw that), and again accused me of making threats.
PavePusher
Dec 2011
#168
"this was the Democratic position in 2008" -- selective amnesia? Or just ignorance?
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#43
"Gun rights were not the prime issue driving the Tea Party in the midterm election."
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#147
Yet less than an hour before, it was "Damn right we'll confiscate".
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#60
I'm also not denying that I'm better looking than George Clooney and smarter than Stephen Hawking...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#89
Money aside, why on Earth can't the Bradys get more members? They're outnumbered 80:1 by the NRA
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#100
I endorse electoral reality. Telling 80 million voters they need political and psychological tests..
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#127
IOW, he was watching Zoom when I was picketing Newt Gingrich's residence with ADAPT.
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#164
There's a job for you! Start the Department of Scientific Disarmament Instruction
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#176
No biggie- You're not the first "Billy Sunday of gun control" to show up here...
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#178
When where you appointed to speak for "the majority of DU"- or any other DUer, for that matter?
friendly_iconoclast
Dec 2011
#196
Hahaha look at you. 8 PAGES of data and naaaa nahananahahana I can't hear you
AtheistCrusader
Dec 2011
#94
Shall I start posting the names of victims of the NRA's promotion of gun violence...
ellisonz
Dec 2011
#142
"now they pretty much just stand for Republicans" -- you agree that you misspoke?
X_Digger
Dec 2011
#117