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krispos42

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61. Oops, forgot about this discussion we were having
Sun Jun 3, 2012, 01:21 AM
Jun 2012

Sorry for the delay.

[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]Climate science runs up against very serious issues with public will...

I think that what it runs up against is very serious issues with POLITICAL will, which is driven by $$$ and propaganda and Washington power-brokers. The politicians are scared to address it because of incurring the wrath of the carbon industry. This means losing campaign money, blackmail, the carbon industry supporting another candidate in the primaries or the general, vicious superPAC campaigns, and affecting their ability to get a cushy consulting job after elected office.

The people are there, the politicians are not. In terms of enacting new and restrictive gun laws... the politicians are there, but the people are not, you see.



[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]Not sure what you're trying to say here. I don't thing people would be very happy if any group of unelected technocrats were given a blank check to pass whatever laws they want.

I'm trying to say that if social scientists came up with a list of particular ideas that would save lives, and the politicians took that list and crafted laws that would accomplish the ideas of the social scientists, we wouldn't be very happy with the results. People don't think that way and would not be happy with the results, even if it meant that a lot of lives were saved.

Things like, say, banning tobacco and alcohol and transfats. Outlawing red meat. Mandatory GPS trackers on all cars, with a penalty if you drive less than 2 miles to a destination (walk, lazy-ass!). That sort of stuff.

I'm being a bit silly here, of course.



[div class=excerpt style=background:#AFEEEE]For example, over 60% of Americans are in favor of a national handgun registry, something which the NRA crowd would deride as "draconian".

That may well be, but I think we both know that it would solve little if any crime. So it shouldn't be done simply because it won't work and it would waste money that could better be used by the police to stop more crime in other ways. If you asked a police chief "Hey, would you like a national handgun registry or 5% more police officers, either of which is paid for by federal funds?" the chiefs would probably pick the extra cops, because it would be more effective.

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Yes, as long as there's full disclosure to everyone concerned, elleng May 2012 #1
but is it science? gejohnston May 2012 #2
I think a better question to consider: truedelphi May 2012 #4
You just made my point gejohnston May 2012 #6
Except gun control is not an "industry". There's no profit motive. DanTex May 2012 #8
Those in charge of gun control do have a profit motive. truedelphi May 2012 #9
LOL. Yeah, you better stock up on "guns" to protect you from the "man"... DanTex May 2012 #11
Bears are the #1 threat to America. ellisonz May 2012 #59
you missed the point gejohnston May 2012 #12
How is it different than climate change denialists? DanTex May 2012 #16
you have it backwards gejohnston May 2012 #19
Do you ever say anything that's true? I mean even by accident? DanTex May 2012 #21
what I said was true gejohnston May 2012 #23
As usual, you provide no proof of anything you say. DanTex May 2012 #25
Gee I don't know...... gejohnston May 2012 #26
LOL. I guess this is what passes for backing your statements with proof in pro-gunner land... DanTex May 2012 #27
kind like falsly claiming that gejohnston May 2012 #29
Change of subject to a different false allegation. You lose. DanTex May 2012 #31
nope gejohnston May 2012 #32
Must be fun living in that fantasy world of yours... DanTex May 2012 #34
That was an example and you do know gejohnston May 2012 #35
Finally, something true! DanTex May 2012 #36
your post regurgated something a UK paper said gejohnston May 2012 #37
No, mine was correct! Mine is based on more evidence! DanTex May 2012 #38
fuck if I know gejohnston May 2012 #39
The people in it seem to be in it for political points... krispos42 May 2012 #42
I agree with some of what you said. DanTex May 2012 #43
Oops, forgot about this discussion we were having krispos42 Jun 2012 #61
Interesting comment from you Lurks Often May 2012 #58
And I assume you're equally opposed to scientists working with the American Cancer Society... DanTex May 2012 #3
show me evidence Hemenway is actually valid gejohnston May 2012 #5
LOL. "Evidence that Hemenway is actually valid"? DanTex May 2012 #7
let me repprase that gejohnston May 2012 #10
Now you're doing that thing you always do... make false statements. DanTex May 2012 #14
that is not a false claim gejohnston May 2012 #18
And it continues... No substance. Joyce! Something you made up! Kleck is your hero! DanTex May 2012 #20
as soon as you do gejohnston May 2012 #22
Still waiting for you to make a single substantive point. DanTex May 2012 #24
that would require a long post gejohnston May 2012 #47
... DanTex May 2012 #49
and gejohnston May 2012 #50
LOL! A good job of backing up what you claim! DanTex May 2012 #52
that is the truth gejohnston May 2012 #56
Sometimes patience does not lead to resolution... ellisonz May 2012 #60
OK, other than gejohnston May 2012 #46
Wow, you're linking to something by Gary Kleck! Shocking! DanTex May 2012 #48
really? gejohnston May 2012 #51
Blah blah blah. DanTex May 2012 #55
I suggest you read some older posts gejohnston May 2012 #57
"gun violence charities"? PavePusher May 2012 #13
Yes, that's what right-wingers say about global warming advocacy groups also... DanTex May 2012 #15
I noticed that you did not refute what he said, but chose to play the "right-winger" card friendly_iconoclast May 2012 #40
Well done, thanks! PavePusher May 2012 #54
I refer you back to your own words.... PavePusher May 2012 #53
No - it is absolutely **not** proper. Simo 1939_1940 May 2012 #17
I don't see a problem with an interest group in a particular area honoring a researcher petronius May 2012 #28
Not being a scientist gejohnston May 2012 #30
That's certainly the risk an academic takes in this situation - but a free dinner petronius May 2012 #33
You ask this question ... GeorgeGist May 2012 #41
Please explain gejohnston May 2012 #45
Research on gun control is not really science. Remmah2 May 2012 #44
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