Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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110. You don't seem to understand this "rhetoric" thing.

Wed Dec 28, 2011, 07:00 AM

Dec 2011

You don't get to make wild assertions and then challenge people to disprove them: you're expected to support your own arguments. That's the way it has been for a long time now. I'm starting to understand why you favor the cartoons and videos: it's a convenient way to avoid such distasteful duties.

And again, you question my bona fides. It's a shoddy tactic, my friend.

Please explain how it is "intellectually simple" to ask you to address issues rather than parading an endless stream of cartoon propaganda across the bandwidth. I am not now, nor have I ever been, a Republican. What are you suggesting?

Dropping an "r" from "embarrassing" is a typo. This ...

[div class = excerpt]... I'd just not that the one's I've seen, like most of the conservative cartoons are poorly conceived and executed.
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Christmas gun ads from the past [View all] The Straight Story Dec 2011 OP

I've got the winchester pictured, my brother the High Standard. ileus Dec 2011 #1

I wish High Standard was still around.... SteveW Dec 2011 #52

And now that boy can live out his fantasy... ellisonz Dec 2011 #2

Maybe we should just get him a bottle of lotion... BiggJawn Dec 2011 #3

Or you could get him a survey of daily life in American history... ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

I smell a wafting from Michael Bellesiles X_Digger Dec 2011 #25

And I smell a wafting of bullshit excuses ellisonz Dec 2011 #35

Ooh, I must've struck a nerve. X_Digger Dec 2011 #38

Eh... ellisonz Dec 2011 #46

I see you use toons when you run out of actual things to say. Pity. X_Digger Dec 2011 #47

No. I use them... ellisonz Dec 2011 #49

If you leave others to make your arguments, what does that say about your argument's strength? X_Digger Dec 2011 #50

At least I'm not quoting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #51

My words are my own.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #55

God forbid... ellisonz Dec 2011 #57

Why should I care what Ron Paul thinks? And why quote him to me? X_Digger Dec 2011 #63

Do you disavow them? ellisonz Dec 2011 #64

Again, why should I care what they think? X_Digger Dec 2011 #72

They love gun rights. ellisonz Dec 2011 #73

And Hitler was a vegetarian.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #74

States the obvious. ellisonz Dec 2011 #75

"That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men.." X_Digger Dec 2011 #77

What is "nuts" about it? PavePusher Dec 2011 #133

The irony! It burns! It burns! Straw Man Dec 2011 #91

I call them like I see it... ellisonz Dec 2011 #92

No, you call them like [sic] some hack cartoonist sees them. Straw Man Dec 2011 #95

What does it mean when you've lost a fair deal of Middle America on these issues? ellisonz Dec 2011 #96

So a "fair deal of Middle America" favors more stringent gun control? Straw Man Dec 2011 #100

I'm not the feckin google. ellisonz Dec 2011 #108

You don't seem to understand this "rhetoric" thing. Straw Man Dec 2011 #110

Oh I understand... ellisonz Dec 2011 #112

More of the same. Straw Man Dec 2011 #116

Blah Blah Blah... ellisonz Dec 2011 #118

Doesn't appear that I violate any of those... Straw Man Dec 2011 #121

This is what chaps my ass. ellisonz Dec 2011 #122

Wow. Just wow. beevul Dec 2011 #128

Your *concern* is noted. ellisonz Dec 2011 #142

Swarming = you hold a minority opinion. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #159

I think I've got you beat by a few. Straw Man Dec 2011 #141

"in the spirit of progressive politics" ellisonz Dec 2011 #143

Easy.. X_Digger Dec 2011 #134

Speak for the "silent majority", do you? friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #151

Perhaps. ellisonz Dec 2011 #152

You wouldn't be the first to make that claim. You might want to look up who used the phrase first... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #153

You really love to distort peoples words... ellisonz Dec 2011 #154

Instead of a reasoned reply, I get a cartoon? Oookay... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2011 #158

since most people don't have the slightest idea what current gejohnston Dec 2011 #157

More royalties from the NRA! SteveW Dec 2011 #54

Kicked out of Emory U, Bancroft Prize revoked, asked to pay back money... SteveW Dec 2011 #53

OK, as long as we're not sparing each other's feelings ... Straw Man Dec 2011 #113

"I will submit that you care not one whit for the innocent victims of violent criminals." ellisonz Dec 2011 #115

Once more, with feeling. Straw Man Dec 2011 #119

"only the elites could afford to ornate weapons or possess a collection. " BiggJawn Dec 2011 #28

You're just making my point... ellisonz Dec 2011 #34

Firearms, like a lot of stuff, became cheap after the "Miracle of Mass production..." SteveW Dec 2011 #56

And this is a good thing? n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #65

Good for those wishing to arm themselves with reliable weapons. SteveW Dec 2011 #78

Yes - good quality weapons at a reasonable price. nt hack89 Dec 2011 #160

We are not all Dick Cheney that can afford a gejohnston Dec 2011 #161

Yeah, only 152 years ago. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #83

Or you could look at it as boys and girls learning firearm safety... spin Dec 2011 #4

Cheap guns? Where?!?! Did I miss a sale add somewhere? PavePusher Dec 2011 #5

Nothing like what they did historically... ellisonz Dec 2011 #9

You have evidence to support this claim? PavePusher Dec 2011 #18

I have tremendous evidence. ellisonz Dec 2011 #20

I'd say it looks like a higher percentage of armed people than current times. PavePusher Dec 2011 #22

Meaningless pipoman Dec 2011 #31

So I'm right... ellisonz Dec 2011 #36

Yeah, sure can, pipoman Dec 2011 #70

I'm sure they just loved... ellisonz Dec 2011 #71

Except pipoman Dec 2011 #79

Again, what threat is a "gun horder"? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #84

What threat is any form of weapons distribution? ellisonz Dec 2011 #125

I don't know, you tell me. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #140

Reductio ad absurdum. n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #146

That was apropos of nothing. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #148

Before the rise of the Union movement BiggJawn Dec 2011 #29

I think our materialist attitudes are not benefitting the country. ellisonz Dec 2011 #37

Do I think paying taxes is my "patriotic duty" BiggJawn Dec 2011 #45

So whats a little more... ellisonz Dec 2011 #67

"Gun control" means hitting your target. BiggJawn Dec 2011 #80

Rick Perry agrees with your stance... ellisonz Dec 2011 #81

Ooh look, more associational fallacy! n/t X_Digger Dec 2011 #82

Hitler breathed air, you must be like Hitler! Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #85

Are you familiar with... ellisonz Dec 2011 #124

Oh, that's right, invoke "Godwin" BiggJawn Dec 2011 #130

Yes, I'm aware of Godwin's rule. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #139

And Rick Perry probably breathes air, too. BiggJawn Dec 2011 #129

My son was more than delighted with his present. As for "cheap guns" oneshooter Dec 2011 #6

I bought my son his first 22 last Christmas. ileus Dec 2011 #7

Good for him! I've heard the 7mm-08 is an excellent deer round. nt SteveW Dec 2011 #60

"Boys with toys...that kill. " Its sad to see you posting things like that already. aikoaiko Dec 2011 #10

I'll offer substantive discussion when its requested... ellisonz Dec 2011 #11

We can agree on some things... aikoaiko Dec 2011 #12

We can agree on some things... ellisonz Dec 2011 #13

for example? gejohnston Dec 2011 #14

I make up my own mind. ellisonz Dec 2011 #15

isn't the logical extension that gejohnston Dec 2011 #17

No. ellisonz Dec 2011 #19

I'll bet you hoard books, don't you. Straw Man Dec 2011 #21

Stamp hoarders are the worst. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #24

Americans take it much further than any of those peoples. ellisonz Dec 2011 #40

I was addressing the notion that glorification of violence is an American trait Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2011 #43

I really don't have many books and they certainly don't clutter. ellisonz Dec 2011 #39

So are librarians "hoarders"? Straw Man Dec 2011 #93

Pretzel logic... ellisonz Dec 2011 #99

Whose? Straw Man Dec 2011 #102

I hoard Spoons. BiggJawn Dec 2011 #30

If your house was chock full of kitchenware... ellisonz Dec 2011 #41

But how many spoons does one need? BiggJawn Dec 2011 #44

My collection is realitivly small, 200 or so pieces. It is a diverse collection oneshooter Dec 2011 #62

You'll sure be ready when... ellisonz Dec 2011 #76

Say what? Straw Man Dec 2011 #94

Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #101

No, not OK. Straw Man Dec 2011 #103

Oh noes! Thousands of rounds! Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #87

You really don't understand do you... ellisonz Dec 2011 #89

I'm afraid it's YOU who doesn't understand. Straw Man Dec 2011 #97

Whatever you say... ellisonz Dec 2011 #98

What, no cartoons? Straw Man Dec 2011 #104

Either the way...it burns. ellisonz Dec 2011 #106

OK, that's three things we know: Straw Man Dec 2011 #107

You might want to re-check your numbering there... ellisonz Dec 2011 #109

Thanks, pal. I fixed it. Straw Man Dec 2011 #111

You're welcome. ellisonz Dec 2011 #114

Krauthammer is on YOUR side. Straw Man Dec 2011 #117

I don't spend my time reading Krauthhammer... ellisonz Dec 2011 #120

Sauce, goose, gander. Straw Man Dec 2011 #123

I only did so in response to repeated smearing of Chief Justice Warren Burger... ellisonz Dec 2011 #127

Buying ammo in bulk is now.... PavePusher Dec 2011 #135

Illustrated. ellisonz Dec 2011 #145

Not relevent to topic. PavePusher Dec 2011 #150

So now reloading ammunition is an abuse of the second amendment? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #138

Cooking off of ammunition is not that dangerous. Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #137

"that appear to be of useless or of limited value" DissedByBush Dec 2011 #86

Please use the google. ellisonz Dec 2011 #90

It gets 87,000 hits without quotes... Straw Man Dec 2011 #105

I love ice skating giraffes DissedByBush Dec 2011 #132

You brought up the clinical definition DissedByBush Dec 2011 #131

Just you wait... ellisonz Dec 2011 #144

So which definition are you going with DissedByBush Dec 2011 #147

... ellisonz Dec 2011 #149

So you choose the childish non-response DissedByBush Dec 2011 #155

EXTREME HYPERBOLE ALERT nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #23

Yet way back when gun crime wasn't so much a problem DissedByBush Dec 2011 #27

Very few people bought Thompson Submachine Guns... ellisonz Dec 2011 #42

The famous Thompson ad DissedByBush Dec 2011 #48

Some corrections, here... SteveW Dec 2011 #66

What do you think the intent is? Atypical Liberal Dec 2011 #88

�We cannot but pity the boy who has never fired a gun,� ― Henry David Thoreau, Walden SteveW Dec 2011 #58

Misquote. ellisonz Dec 2011 #61

Nope. SteveW Dec 2011 #69

" Have you passed through, or are you still standing on the brink, finger-in-mouth?" ellisonz Dec 2011 #126

Nope. SteveW Dec 2011 #156

Writers who abuse hyperbole deserve to be taken out and shot slackmaster Dec 2011 #68

I got a Daisy Red Ryder BB gun for Christmas when I was seven. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2011 #16

I got my first real rifle when I was 9. Still have it in my collection. oneshooter Dec 2011 #26

It makes you a rude horder... pipoman Dec 2011 #32

*hoarder* n/t ellisonz Dec 2011 #59

Temujin? Is that you? After all these years... ! n/t PavePusher Dec 2011 #136

Did you shoot your eye out? :) nt Remmah2 Dec 2011 #33