Gun Control & RKBA

GreenStormCloud

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116. Why should CCW applicants take such an exam.

Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:06 AM

Jun 2012

We already have a better safety record than the police. There are many more of us than there are of cops, yet we shoot fewer innocents.

In 2009 in Texas, out of 402,000+ Concealed Hangun Licensees, only one (1) was convicted of murder, and none of manslaughter. Among the general population there were 600+ convictions that year for the various forms of murder and manslaughter.

Since we are already doing much better than the cops, why bother with such a test?

The resources used to find that one in almost half a million could better be used somewhere else.

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The gunman accused of killing five people in cold blood Wednesday had a concealed weapon permit [View all] MichaelHarris May 2012 OP

Without that permit, he couldn't possibly have done what he did slackmaster May 2012 #1

Another CCWer goes mad - yet you guys accept more like him toting. Hoyt May 2012 #15

If you say so. ManiacJoe May 2012 #27

And without that permit he couldn't possibly have done that rl6214 Jun 2012 #106

How do you figure that? n/t doc03 May 2012 #16

Well DUH! MichaelHarris's point is obviously that if the guy had no permit, he wouldn't have... slackmaster May 2012 #46

Of course he could. The permit was unrelated. Starboard Tack May 2012 #26

This is why I really enjoy reading your posts SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #31

Thanks. I try. Starboard Tack May 2012 #37

Good luck with making vets second class citizens hack89 May 2012 #42

Why would I ever want to make vets second class citizens? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #47

Then don't suggest that every vet get a psych exam that could result in the loss of a civil liberty. hack89 Jun 2012 #56

Do you care more about losing the right to carry a gun Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #64

I can sympathize, but I see a problem... Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #65

I don't want to discriminate against vets. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #67

The vets deserve better mental health services than they are getting hack89 Jun 2012 #66

I don't think I said anything about losing their guns Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #68

Meaningless distinction. Too dangerous to carry but safe enough to have guns at home? hack89 Jun 2012 #75

I don't think it is meaningless at all. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #80

So mentally unbalanced people will never illegally take guns from home hack89 Jun 2012 #86

If you're suggesting removing guns from homes Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #92

Then why bother with psych exams for CCW? hack89 Jun 2012 #93

It's a step in the right direction. What's your solution? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #98

The present laws are adequate hack89 Jun 2012 #99

The valid questions raise even more questions. krispos42 Jun 2012 #60

Your last paragraph makes sense. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #69

No, and I'm ambivalent. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #63

The evaluation should be made to qualify, not disqualify for a CC permit. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #70

No. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #71

Well that's where we differ. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #73

I disagree as well, but let's examine this idea a bit Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #74

Excellent points you make. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #78

That's an interesting way to do it! Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #81

It's probably a waste of time. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #83

But now you've traded one gate keeper for another. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #82

Wrong, not a psychologist. A psych evaluation. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #84

They do. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #89

Any expense can be absorbed in permit fees. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #95

Interesting theory SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #97

I think it should be taxpayer funded. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #100

The police are public servants Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #103

I just don't like regressive taxes. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #105

Taking a test online is pointless. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #117

Why is it pointless? Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #125

Taking a test on line is pointless because anyone could take it for you Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #127

How do you ensure the examiners are blind, Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #128

The exams are taken in groups. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #129

Cops do much more than just carry guns. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #102

And I'm not suggesting CCW applicants take all the police exams. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #104

Why should CCW applicants take such an exam. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #116

Why? Did you miss the OP? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #119

Use of resources must be prioritized. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #120

A few points Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #121

Here is why he doesn't count. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #123

By your reasoning the only solution is to evaluate all gun owners. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #126

So those that would shoot up a mall wouldn't buy a gun illegally? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #130

We already do that. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #131

No, I don't want mentally unbalanced people walking around armed Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #132

CCWers who murder are extremely rare. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #135

Rare doesn't cut it when people keep dying, sorry. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #137

You still keep ducking the question. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #139

Sorry, I thought your question was rhetorical. Simple obvious answer "No!" Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #140

I have indeed proven that we are trustworthy. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #141

That is precisely why I am against such subjective requirements. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #79

exactly right CreekDog Jun 2012 #133

Without a permit, he wouldn't have had a gun because it would have been ILLEGAL slackmaster Jun 2012 #134

so you're against permitting because you will follow the rules and a criminal will not CreekDog Jun 2012 #136

I have no problem with requiring a permit to legally carry a concealed, loaded weapon in public slackmaster Jun 2012 #138

It sounds like he may have had a concussive brain injury sarisataka May 2012 #2

The current WA state laws ManiacJoe May 2012 #13

I understand the process sarisataka May 2012 #14

I, for one, am against carrying concealed weapons. FLyellowdog May 2012 #3

You might have a point there HockeyMom May 2012 #6

Run from cops much? n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #51

Who knows, you could be in line at ChuckeCHeeze when Swastika screws up. Hoyt Jun 2012 #107

Does Chuck E. Cheese have a corporate policy on firearms? n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #108

Such policies are meaningless to those who worship 2nd Amendment. Hoyt Jun 2012 #109

Some dinguses ignore the signs, some take their business elsewhere. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #110

Another broad-brush attack from you. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #111

Who is "Swastika"? And what are you insinuating? n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #112

Probably a rude toter n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #113

Sorry, I think it's Stawicki. Just another law-abiding gun dude until he shot innocent people. Hoyt Jun 2012 #114

Most people are law-abiding until the stop abiding by the law Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #115

Yep, and according to the gun culture, we just sit and wait until they shoot people. Hoyt Jun 2012 #118

Still operating from the presumption of guilt... Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #122

Occasionally, I've thought about getting a CCW permit simply to annoy gun-wowsers friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #124

How can you be nervous about Meiko May 2012 #8

We know you are there, standing in line at Chuck E Cheeze with a gun. Hoyt May 2012 #17

Is X-ray vision another of your many skills? SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #32

Spidey-Sense BiggJawn May 2012 #39

Do you ever go out to eat at a place that isn't Chuck E Cheeze? petronius May 2012 #41

Zimmerman eats there all the time. rrneck Jun 2012 #62

Not at all FLyellowdog May 2012 #36

In some places cops know by running the plate gejohnston May 2012 #38

A cop is NOT... PavePusher Jun 2012 #52

Decent people generally don't go out of their way to offend anyone.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #50

Would open carry laws really make criminals think twice? alp227 Jun 2012 #96

Oh hell, lets just pass a law that every one over 18 should carry a concealed weapon...that way demosincebirth May 2012 #4

Apparently, that is gun culture's plan. Many make money off the dang things too. Hoyt May 2012 #18

How can I get in on this money-making thing? mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #49

You type that like you think it is a bad thing to make money off guns. N/T GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #57

Small scale military industrial complex type stuff. Do you think trading in lethal weapons is cool? Hoyt Jun 2012 #58

Absolutely, it's cool. Here's what I just picked up: Browning 1910/55 .380 ACP in 98%(!) condition Johnny Rico Jun 2012 #61

Wow! That is a stunning collection piece. Well done!. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #85

Of course it is. Using them is even cooler- your avatar was proud of his: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #76

None of the gunmen that killed 11 last weekend in Chicago had a a CCW DonP May 2012 #5

Criminals will always be able to get guns baldguy May 2012 #7

Exactly. And they'll support NRA and other right wing gun "advocates." Hoyt May 2012 #19

So the solution is what? hack89 May 2012 #43

Obviously, the solution is to write more angry, rude posts online DonP Jun 2012 #59

There is a process to remove the right of an individual to possess a firearm, or have a CPL. AtheistCrusader May 2012 #9

How about strict gun laws and beginning to close the pipeline. Hoyt May 2012 #21

That worked so well for gejohnston May 2012 #22

Works well in Switzerland. safeinOhio May 2012 #28

or Czech Republic gejohnston May 2012 #35

That has nothing to do with this issue. AtheistCrusader May 2012 #25

Why don't we model them on the drug laws? hack89 May 2012 #44

Are you implying that a person's constitutional right to own a gun should be violated... Speck Tater May 2012 #10

So it looks like he was indeed a gun nut Cali_Democrat May 2012 #11

Does that mean everyone with a permit is a gun nut? nt hack89 May 2012 #45

A certain other poster (who has been conspicuously absent from these threads lately) said just that. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #53

Out of over 10 million with CCWs there will be a few bad apples. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #12

There's more than a "few bad apples. " Hoyt May 2012 #23

You ignored the proof that CCWers save more innocent lives than they kill. GreenStormCloud May 2012 #29

Don't bother. Anslinger-Wertham types don't "do" statistics. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #48

How many are there? Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #90

I carried mine today and didn't shoot anyone. ileus May 2012 #20

Yeah, but because you can carry - a lot of sick people are legally toting. M Hoyt May 2012 #24

And what are YOU doing to make CCL illegal in Georgia? oneshooter May 2012 #30

Once again... Fredjust May 2012 #33

So what are you doing to repeal it? SGMRTDARMY May 2012 #34

Right, because that worked so well with alcohol. BiggJawn May 2012 #40

"[...] he had not sought treatment." Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #54

and 3) Denial JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2012 #55

Yup - CCW permit holders sometimes commit crimes. Fortunately, they do it less often than non-CCWers Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #72

It's not so fortunate for the AWS types that hate guns and gun owners. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #77

As has been pointed out before, that is not the correct comparison. DanTex Jun 2012 #87

As I have corrected you before, it IS the correct comparison. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #88

You're wrong here. DanTex Jun 2012 #91

I don't think that is the question at all. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #94

It would take a lot of work but it could be done. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #101

I'm sure that if he hadn't had a CWP this would never have happened. L0oniX Jun 2012 #142