Gun Control & RKBA

Scootaloo

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1. Obviously you don't understand what I'm saying.

Reply to Common Sense Party (Original post)

Thu Jun 7, 2012, 05:26 PM

Jun 2012

I'm arguing against the inane logic so often evidenced in the gungeon that there is no overlap between "law-abiding gun owners" and "criminals." The belief that the two are eternally separate, and the claim that all weapons used by all criminals are obtained illegally.

My point isn't that owning a gun absolves you of all criminal liability. My point is a mockery of the idea that there is no overlap between "gun owners" and "criminals." Yes, what I posted was absurd; that's the intent, to expose the tortured logic.

After all, if "law-abiding gun owner" and "criminal armed with illegally-obtained firearms" are absolutely mutually exclusive and indelible, then... Doesn't that make this guy NOT a criminal? Doesn't that make Zimmerman not a criminal?

tl;dr version: My point is that there is overlap; gun owners become gun criminals. This overlap is usually vehemently denied here. And I was mocking that.

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Please raise your hand if you think legally owning a firearm absolves you of ALL criminal liability. [View all] Common Sense Party Jun 2012 OP

Obviously you don't understand what I'm saying. Scootaloo Jun 2012 #1

Sure, but that's a separate point from absolving someone of all criminal liability. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #2

Well, I'm glad to see it admitted Scootaloo Jun 2012 #50

Please do. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #51

I've been reading the Guns forum for a very long time, and I've *never* seen petronius Jun 2012 #3

I've heard similar rhetoric from some Brady diehards, but don't recall seeing it here derby378 Jun 2012 #4

I think this is a perception resulting from a pre-existing bias Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #5

Add me to the list of long-time lurkers and posters who have **NEVER** Simo 1939_1940 Jun 2012 #57

Add me to that list also. nt SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #58

You are correct. Zimmerman and those like him are fine, law-abiding gun carriers loved by their Hoyt Jun 2012 #7

Then point them out. After all, it's an attitude that's "often (evinced)" here, amirite? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #16

Why should we believe anything that a proven liar has to say? oneshooter Jun 2012 #20

I've talked to a number of people who have FLorida Concealed Weapons permits ... spin Jun 2012 #25

Zimmerman was a model gun carrier right up until he pulled the damn thing and shot unarmed teen. Hoyt Jun 2012 #34

Who held him up as a "model gun carrier?" Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #36

So you would have supported denying him a permit before shooting an unarmed teenager? I bet not. Hoyt Jun 2012 #41

In the absence of disqualifying evidence, no, I wouldn't. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #46

You don't know what crimes they commit and/or contribute to through Hoyt Jun 2012 #47

That calls for social justice, mental health reform, safety education, and accountable government, Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #49

I don't waste my time visiting right wing sites ... spin Jun 2012 #39

EVERY criminal is law-abiding up until the point that they commit a crime. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #60

Then, why the hell do you guys carry a gun in public when over 90% don't? Hoyt Jun 2012 #62

Ah, the old paranoia canard again. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #65

A lethal weapon is not analogous to a seat belt, insurance, smoke detectors, or other similar BS. Hoyt Jun 2012 #67

Of course they are. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #70

Isn't everyone a law abiding citizen sarisataka Jun 2012 #27

Now you are starting to get it. Why give them a permit to tote lethal weapons on city streets? Hoyt Jun 2012 #35

why give them a DL sarisataka Jun 2012 #37

Dont'cha know? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #40

We're talking guns here. What do you think is the purpose of a gun, especially tucked in your pants? Hoyt Jun 2012 #42

To protect myself if needed. nt SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #43

Most of us are prepared to protect ourselves without a gun if really needed. What makes you special? Hoyt Jun 2012 #63

why should I really care what other people are prepared to do w/o a gun? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #74

It give my belt a reason to hold up my pants sarisataka Jun 2012 #44

To use for lawful self defense. Clames Jun 2012 #45

Against what, some contrived fear? To help you guys feel safe, we have to put more guns in circula- Hoyt Jun 2012 #64

Thats right SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #75

BWAHAHAHAH. "starting to get it"?!?!? Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #61

Actually I'm suggesting that the 4% who "need" a gun in their pants start acting like they live Hoyt Jun 2012 #66

Actually, Hoyt... Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #68

Actually you are wrong. You need to compare the gun toters to folks who could get a permit, but Hoyt Jun 2012 #69

No, you are wrong. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #71

Bad habit? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #76

Including Hoyt. oneshooter Jun 2012 #72

I don't know about you but gejohnston Jun 2012 #38

I understand perfectly what you're saying, and it's *still* bullshit. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #13

oh, I get your point alright. indeed, I do. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #15

None of us here claim there is no overlap. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #26

Just some issues with your numbers Scootaloo Jun 2012 #52

I would say a significant percentage of homicides are committed with legally owned firearms Kaleva Jun 2012 #54

Murder is very rarely done as a first offense. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #55

Zimmerman isn't a criminal. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #56

Oh come on. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #59

I think by definition, criminals are not law-abiding kudzu22 Jun 2012 #73

Someone has been studying at the school of Mike, located in Italy. ileus Jun 2012 #6

I'm lucky I wasn't drinking when I read that. LOL. N/T beevul Jun 2012 #23

I don't...get it Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #28

feel blessed. Mike was silly beyond belief and is based out of Italy. Haven't seen him lately - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #31

why is this thread getting recs? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #8

I think they're reccing just because they love ME. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #9

truly,I am confused, while I appreciate you bringing that post to my attention I am not happy with Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #10

We really, really do! petronius Jun 2012 #12

I will give you plenty of love AFTER the pizza party. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #14

It's not so much you, CSP. I love your avatar. slackmaster Jun 2012 #18

I rec'd for bringing to attention a very absurd, IMO, veiwpoint made by another person. Kaleva Jun 2012 #19

the person is attempting to say that they read the viewpoint in this group all the time. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #21

I don't think MIRT can do much about a star member with over a 100 posts. Kaleva Jun 2012 #29

you are right. Admin needs to notified. Poster may either edit, self- delete, or else Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #30

-1 nt Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #17

does patrice realize what she is reccing here? this is hilarious. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #22

I found a good use for the "Trash This Thread" button. L0oniX Jun 2012 #24

Why would any rational and sane person believe that? ... spin Jun 2012 #32

THE question lacks common sense. It is not MY question, Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #33

I didn't think that it was your question ... spin Jun 2012 #48

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