Gun Control & RKBA

sarisataka

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44. It give my belt a reason to hold up my pants

Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:13 PM

Jun 2012

The purpose of any gun is to project pieces of metal at high velocity. Just as a car's purpose is to move from here to there.

Both only do what the operator directs. A car can be used to run over a group of students who pissed you off, as happened locally within the last year. Should that person have been denied a DL because he had a short temper? IIRC one dead, four injured.

A gun can be used in crime, for self defense, for recreation. A car can be used as a weapon, transportation and recreation.

I will always maintain it is the operator that is responsible for the actions of any inanimate object. If the object is inherently dangerous, as say a gun, chain saw or acetylene torch, then the operator should take all precautions as recommended by the manufacturer, as directed by law and common sense.

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Please raise your hand if you think legally owning a firearm absolves you of ALL criminal liability. [View all] Common Sense Party Jun 2012 OP

Obviously you don't understand what I'm saying. Scootaloo Jun 2012 #1

Sure, but that's a separate point from absolving someone of all criminal liability. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #2

Well, I'm glad to see it admitted Scootaloo Jun 2012 #50

Please do. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #51

I've been reading the Guns forum for a very long time, and I've *never* seen petronius Jun 2012 #3

I've heard similar rhetoric from some Brady diehards, but don't recall seeing it here derby378 Jun 2012 #4

I think this is a perception resulting from a pre-existing bias Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #5

Add me to the list of long-time lurkers and posters who have **NEVER** Simo 1939_1940 Jun 2012 #57

Add me to that list also. nt SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #58

You are correct. Zimmerman and those like him are fine, law-abiding gun carriers loved by their Hoyt Jun 2012 #7

Then point them out. After all, it's an attitude that's "often (evinced)" here, amirite? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #16

Why should we believe anything that a proven liar has to say? oneshooter Jun 2012 #20

I've talked to a number of people who have FLorida Concealed Weapons permits ... spin Jun 2012 #25

Zimmerman was a model gun carrier right up until he pulled the damn thing and shot unarmed teen. Hoyt Jun 2012 #34

Who held him up as a "model gun carrier?" Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #36

So you would have supported denying him a permit before shooting an unarmed teenager? I bet not. Hoyt Jun 2012 #41

In the absence of disqualifying evidence, no, I wouldn't. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #46

You don't know what crimes they commit and/or contribute to through Hoyt Jun 2012 #47

That calls for social justice, mental health reform, safety education, and accountable government, Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #49

I don't waste my time visiting right wing sites ... spin Jun 2012 #39

EVERY criminal is law-abiding up until the point that they commit a crime. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #60

Then, why the hell do you guys carry a gun in public when over 90% don't? Hoyt Jun 2012 #62

Ah, the old paranoia canard again. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #65

A lethal weapon is not analogous to a seat belt, insurance, smoke detectors, or other similar BS. Hoyt Jun 2012 #67

Of course they are. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #70

Isn't everyone a law abiding citizen sarisataka Jun 2012 #27

Now you are starting to get it. Why give them a permit to tote lethal weapons on city streets? Hoyt Jun 2012 #35

why give them a DL sarisataka Jun 2012 #37

Dont'cha know? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #40

We're talking guns here. What do you think is the purpose of a gun, especially tucked in your pants? Hoyt Jun 2012 #42

To protect myself if needed. nt SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #43

Most of us are prepared to protect ourselves without a gun if really needed. What makes you special? Hoyt Jun 2012 #63

why should I really care what other people are prepared to do w/o a gun? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #74

It give my belt a reason to hold up my pants sarisataka Jun 2012 #44

To use for lawful self defense. Clames Jun 2012 #45

Against what, some contrived fear? To help you guys feel safe, we have to put more guns in circula- Hoyt Jun 2012 #64

Thats right SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #75

BWAHAHAHAH. "starting to get it"?!?!? Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #61

Actually I'm suggesting that the 4% who "need" a gun in their pants start acting like they live Hoyt Jun 2012 #66

Actually, Hoyt... Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #68

Actually you are wrong. You need to compare the gun toters to folks who could get a permit, but Hoyt Jun 2012 #69

No, you are wrong. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #71

Bad habit? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #76

Including Hoyt. oneshooter Jun 2012 #72

I don't know about you but gejohnston Jun 2012 #38

I understand perfectly what you're saying, and it's *still* bullshit. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #13

oh, I get your point alright. indeed, I do. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #15

None of us here claim there is no overlap. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #26

Just some issues with your numbers Scootaloo Jun 2012 #52

I would say a significant percentage of homicides are committed with legally owned firearms Kaleva Jun 2012 #54

Murder is very rarely done as a first offense. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #55

Zimmerman isn't a criminal. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #56

Oh come on. Atypical Liberal Jun 2012 #59

I think by definition, criminals are not law-abiding kudzu22 Jun 2012 #73

Someone has been studying at the school of Mike, located in Italy. ileus Jun 2012 #6

I'm lucky I wasn't drinking when I read that. LOL. N/T beevul Jun 2012 #23

I don't...get it Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #28

feel blessed. Mike was silly beyond belief and is based out of Italy. Haven't seen him lately - Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #31

why is this thread getting recs? Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #8

I think they're reccing just because they love ME. Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #9

truly,I am confused, while I appreciate you bringing that post to my attention I am not happy with Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #10

We really, really do! petronius Jun 2012 #12

I will give you plenty of love AFTER the pizza party. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #14

It's not so much you, CSP. I love your avatar. slackmaster Jun 2012 #18

I rec'd for bringing to attention a very absurd, IMO, veiwpoint made by another person. Kaleva Jun 2012 #19

the person is attempting to say that they read the viewpoint in this group all the time. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #21

I don't think MIRT can do much about a star member with over a 100 posts. Kaleva Jun 2012 #29

you are right. Admin needs to notified. Poster may either edit, self- delete, or else Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #30

-1 nt Life Long Dem Jun 2012 #17

does patrice realize what she is reccing here? this is hilarious. Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #22

I found a good use for the "Trash This Thread" button. L0oniX Jun 2012 #24

Why would any rational and sane person believe that? ... spin Jun 2012 #32

THE question lacks common sense. It is not MY question, Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #33

I didn't think that it was your question ... spin Jun 2012 #48

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