Gun Control & RKBA

AtheistCrusader

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7. Fuck that stupid shit.

Mon Jun 11, 2012, 11:00 AM

Jun 2012

State Pre-emption is the only thing that saves people who carry lawfully from ending up breaking a law by stepping over a barely-defined boundary.

My local town still has signs up banning firearms on the Snoqualmie Valley Trail. I carry anyway, because I know the local ordinance is null and void, per RCW 9.41.290.

We have bears and cougars around here. I carry. The brady campaign can kiss my ass.
If local towns and cities didn't overstep their bounds on firearms, we wouldn't have needed to pass state pre-emption.

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State's law of preemption hobbles cities' attempt to address gun violence [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP

Guns don't kill people, bullets do. bupkus Jun 2012 #1

Makes one wonder where Hemenway finds (or creates) his statistics... mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #2

How do they create criminals if they post signs at city limits? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #14

not the same thing gejohnston Jun 2012 #22

Prohibition doesn't work. House is a metaphor for town, a place people live in. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #25

Who would these laws keep out, and who would ignore them? n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #27

People who want to engage in any public behavior the town deems unsuitable. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #30

When in Rome gejohnston Jun 2012 #33

That's not quite what it means GE. LOL Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #37

I know, but couldn't help it gejohnston Jun 2012 #40

Never said I supported Prohibition gejohnston Jun 2012 #29

I guess you don't spend much time on the beach Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #31

With my Scotch Irish ancestory? gejohnston Jun 2012 #32

Ah Florida. I remember it well Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #38

Its an inaccurate and misleading metaphor... beevul Jun 2012 #59

Nobody owns my soul. That would be way too Faustian for me. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #63

"Towns are collections of houses. Do you want armed strangers walking through your house?" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68

States without preemption are simply minefields to ensnare average people. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #3

Sorry, but average people don't carry guns on their person. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #15

But they may have the gun in their car. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #19

It would be very simple to exclude interstate corridors from local gun carry laws. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #20

Except that they won't be. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #21

It happens... sarisataka Jun 2012 #23

I'm not following you here Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #46

because NYPD gejohnston Jun 2012 #50

Too much overreaction going on all round IMO Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #54

That is what has happened. I thought is was discussed here but may be confused with another sarisataka Jun 2012 #57

Seems like it would be easy enough to set up a secure system at the airport. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #61

You got it sarisataka Jun 2012 #62

No, not easy. Clames Jun 2012 #64

There's nothing like a positive attitude for getting things done. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #65

Real world experience gets things done much faster, better. Clames Jun 2012 #67

LOL! Tejas Jun 2012 #42

So should those towns have no rights to limit speeding either? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #26

The Constitution is silent on the subject of speeding Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #28

Fair enough, but Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #35

In the event carry is ruled to be unprotected by 2A, Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #39

I don't see this as an unsolvable problem. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #47

GPS works OK gejohnston Jun 2012 #49

LOL I know what you mean Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #53

not so much out of date gejohnston Jun 2012 #55

GPS systems available to the public... Clames Jun 2012 #66

There is constitutional right to any minimum or maximum dx/dt. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #34

I agree. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #36

The issue is Constitutional rights. hack89 Jun 2012 #41

Sorry, but public safety is a local issue. This is not about civil rights. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #43

So the Bill of Rights has nothing to do with civil liberties? Really? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #45

The BoR has much to do with civil liberties, you know that Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #48

You must love the Patriot act then. hack89 Jun 2012 #51

I hate the Patriot Act, which has nothing to do with public safety Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #52

Of course it is a civil liberty - that is what the BoR delineates. hack89 Jun 2012 #56

Citing Hemenway and Brady? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #4

should read : Preemption hobbles city elites from punsihing legal owners. ileus Jun 2012 #5

Preemption makes it reasonably possible to obey the law Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #6

Fuck that stupid shit. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #7

The lies never stop. Hangingon Jun 2012 #8

And the battle for ideological marketshare rages on. nt rrneck Jun 2012 #9

Why can't cities and states also have their own abortion laws? hack89 Jun 2012 #10

Cities and local governments have public safety laws. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #16

Because the RKBA is an enumerated civil liberty. hack89 Jun 2012 #18

So we would be treated differently SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #24

There's only one right you can destroy progressively... ileus Jun 2012 #17

45 shot and 8 more dead this weekend - thank heavens for preemption in Chicago DonP Jun 2012 #11

Washington Ceasefire apparently doesn't give a shit about truth- see paragraph 7: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #12

They got him confused with Loughner. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #58

I find this to be, perhaps the most ridiculous of the pro-control arguments sarisataka Jun 2012 #13

Minor correction.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #60

They tried preemption in my city. Tejas Jun 2012 #44