Gun Control & RKBA

Starboard Tack

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52. I hate the Patriot Act, which has nothing to do with public safety

Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:33 PM

Jun 2012

If you can't see that I am striving to keep the individual right (I don't regard it really as a civil right, kind of oxymoronic) and maintain public safety. I believe the citizens of a town have rights too, in terms of behavior in public.
If you don't like that town's restrictions, you should have the right to pass through with all your "unwelcome" possessions. No local law should be able to stop you from transiting their township to get to your range or hunting area. By the same token, that same township should have the right not to be invaded by a few hundred Teabaggers carrying M-15s and sidearms. Live and let live, my friend.

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State's law of preemption hobbles cities' attempt to address gun violence [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP

Guns don't kill people, bullets do. bupkus Jun 2012 #1

Makes one wonder where Hemenway finds (or creates) his statistics... mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #2

How do they create criminals if they post signs at city limits? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #14

not the same thing gejohnston Jun 2012 #22

Prohibition doesn't work. House is a metaphor for town, a place people live in. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #25

Who would these laws keep out, and who would ignore them? n/t Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #27

People who want to engage in any public behavior the town deems unsuitable. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #30

When in Rome gejohnston Jun 2012 #33

That's not quite what it means GE. LOL Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #37

I know, but couldn't help it gejohnston Jun 2012 #40

Never said I supported Prohibition gejohnston Jun 2012 #29

I guess you don't spend much time on the beach Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #31

With my Scotch Irish ancestory? gejohnston Jun 2012 #32

Ah Florida. I remember it well Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #38

Its an inaccurate and misleading metaphor... beevul Jun 2012 #59

Nobody owns my soul. That would be way too Faustian for me. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #63

"Towns are collections of houses. Do you want armed strangers walking through your house?" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68

States without preemption are simply minefields to ensnare average people. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #3

Sorry, but average people don't carry guns on their person. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #15

But they may have the gun in their car. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #19

It would be very simple to exclude interstate corridors from local gun carry laws. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #20

Except that they won't be. Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #21

It happens... sarisataka Jun 2012 #23

I'm not following you here Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #46

because NYPD gejohnston Jun 2012 #50

Too much overreaction going on all round IMO Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #54

That is what has happened. I thought is was discussed here but may be confused with another sarisataka Jun 2012 #57

Seems like it would be easy enough to set up a secure system at the airport. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #61

You got it sarisataka Jun 2012 #62

No, not easy. Clames Jun 2012 #64

There's nothing like a positive attitude for getting things done. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #65

Real world experience gets things done much faster, better. Clames Jun 2012 #67

LOL! Tejas Jun 2012 #42

So should those towns have no rights to limit speeding either? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #26

The Constitution is silent on the subject of speeding Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #28

Fair enough, but Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #35

In the event carry is ruled to be unprotected by 2A, Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #39

I don't see this as an unsolvable problem. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #47

GPS works OK gejohnston Jun 2012 #49

LOL I know what you mean Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #53

not so much out of date gejohnston Jun 2012 #55

GPS systems available to the public... Clames Jun 2012 #66

There is constitutional right to any minimum or maximum dx/dt. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #34

I agree. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #36

The issue is Constitutional rights. hack89 Jun 2012 #41

Sorry, but public safety is a local issue. This is not about civil rights. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #43

So the Bill of Rights has nothing to do with civil liberties? Really? nt hack89 Jun 2012 #45

The BoR has much to do with civil liberties, you know that Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #48

You must love the Patriot act then. hack89 Jun 2012 #51

I hate the Patriot Act, which has nothing to do with public safety Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #52

Of course it is a civil liberty - that is what the BoR delineates. hack89 Jun 2012 #56

Citing Hemenway and Brady? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #4

should read : Preemption hobbles city elites from punsihing legal owners. ileus Jun 2012 #5

Preemption makes it reasonably possible to obey the law Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #6

Fuck that stupid shit. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #7

The lies never stop. Hangingon Jun 2012 #8

And the battle for ideological marketshare rages on. nt rrneck Jun 2012 #9

Why can't cities and states also have their own abortion laws? hack89 Jun 2012 #10

Cities and local governments have public safety laws. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #16

Because the RKBA is an enumerated civil liberty. hack89 Jun 2012 #18

So we would be treated differently SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #24

There's only one right you can destroy progressively... ileus Jun 2012 #17

45 shot and 8 more dead this weekend - thank heavens for preemption in Chicago DonP Jun 2012 #11

Washington Ceasefire apparently doesn't give a shit about truth- see paragraph 7: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #12

They got him confused with Loughner. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #58

I find this to be, perhaps the most ridiculous of the pro-control arguments sarisataka Jun 2012 #13

Minor correction.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #60

They tried preemption in my city. Tejas Jun 2012 #44