Gun Control & RKBA

slackmaster

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55. I think it's safe to assume that costs would be similar to those for New York's CoBIS system

Thu Jun 14, 2012, 06:32 PM

Jun 2012

Which cost $40 million to start up and $1.2 million per year to maintain.

That's a pretty high cost per crime solved, especially if the number of crimes solved is zero.

Of course we could start micro-stamping everything that people buy and get a discount for solving zero crimes in larger volume.

I don't know about your state, but mine is broke and getting more broke by the day. The Governor wants to spend $65 billion on a high-speed rail system from nowhere in particular to no place anyone wants to go, bypassing environmental impact study requirements and trashing farmland to create a good feeling about how we're helping the environment. I don't think we can afford $40 million on a micro-stamping system that won't help law enforcement. We have more important things to do here in California.

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New Study Proves Microstamping Technology Works [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2012 OP

So, police and other government LE agencies will lead the way by early adoption.... PavePusher Jun 2012 #1

How about the Pentagon? krispos42 Jun 2012 #47

Will they be forced to retro-fit all their existing small arms? PavePusher Jun 2012 #58

IIRC, half way through the quarter? gejohnston Jun 2012 #61

Yep, purchase cards at the base supply store, or off-base, if stuff is cheaper. PavePusher Jun 2012 #62

Except when the firing pin is altered or worn, on revolvers and on all those millions of guns ... hack89 Jun 2012 #2

"The study, funded by the U.S. Department of Justice" Remmah2 Jun 2012 #8

Also funded by the Joyce Foundation. Dr_Scholl Jun 2012 #17

Same old same old SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #3

And? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #6

If this has any benefits towards solving crime, SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #9

Criminals are notorious for getting around laws in general; it's what makes them "criminals" Scootaloo Jun 2012 #16

Typical. SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #19

Well, it IS an NRA talking point Scootaloo Jun 2012 #21

some more than others. gejohnston Jun 2012 #25

And yet I get the feeling you understood my point perfectly well Scootaloo Jun 2012 #26

oh please, Do draw One. I love venn diagrams! Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #35

Well, I actually have to go to work, but enjoy this one! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #38

OH yes...the venn diagram really corresponds with the post and makes Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #41

Calling something a talking point is NOT a rebuttal. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #45

Let's say it is avoided in 80% of cases, that means in 20% of cases it might be helpful. Hoyt Jun 2012 #49

What is the threshhold bewteen "useful" and "waste of time and money"? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #103

Not been reading my posts, have you? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #72

Decoy casings. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #79

Ah, so re-read my first paragraph to you Scootaloo Jun 2012 #81

Describe how micro-stanmping ammo would stop criminals who use these two tactics ... spin Jun 2012 #105

at least I'll feel safer if Jessica Fletcher visits me gejohnston Jun 2012 #20

I always get a laugh... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #22

"responsible car owners" are victims of car theft quite frequently. PavePusher Jun 2012 #32

Yes, but is every hit and run performed by a stolen car? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #33

Very few guns are stolen, but it doesn't take many. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #48

Except that there are problem with your analogy krispos42 Jun 2012 #52

Remember, for microstamping to work, the gun must be registered with the criminal! Tuesday Afternoon Jun 2012 #70

The problem is that when the Fed changes the design of the dollar... OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #18

One would think that as part of that well-regulated militia... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #23

It is the militia that is well regulated, not the individual. (well regulated MILITIA) OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #50

For someone who's "not interested," you make quite a show Scootaloo Jun 2012 #69

The first ammendment references "the people". Do individuals not have 1st A rights? OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #73

Yes, state constitutions refine the language Scootaloo Jun 2012 #89

Oh, I see now. So you're using your literal interpretation instead of the legal one. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #94

So I don't have an individual right to assemble or to privacy? Really? hack89 Jun 2012 #76

Coming from someone who spent a whole day arguing that the 5th amendment isn't real... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #90

No- I said that prosecutors don't indict unless they think a crime has been committed hack89 Jun 2012 #96

You're putting on quite a show, too. mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #87

It shows that I understand the English language Scootaloo Jun 2012 #88

No, no it doesn't. Clames Jun 2012 #93

Perhaps, if LE agencies were scrambling to lead the way, it might be more convincing. PavePusher Jun 2012 #28

I read it slightly differently than you, of course Scootaloo Jun 2012 #30

I'm not reading what you are merely from their equipment... PavePusher Jun 2012 #31

A tank does not strike me as integral to the concept of "protect and serve" Scootaloo Jun 2012 #34

I don't think the APC was acually in their budget gejohnston Jun 2012 #46

It's not a tank (or artillery), it's an APV, and yes, the distinction is quite important... PavePusher Jun 2012 #57

90+% is good sarisataka Jun 2012 #4

Heh, plus the annual registration fee of $50. krispos42 Jun 2012 #53

It ends up being a boost to the economy. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #97

How many crimes were solved by NY's CoBIS program? Remmah2 Jun 2012 #5

Gov. Cuomo supports this program SecularMotion Jun 2012 #7

Nice spam link got NYAGV. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #10

How does this make NY cities safer? SGMRTDARMY Jun 2012 #12

It will make you "feel" safer. Remmah2 Jun 2012 #15

Isn't that about all that gun in your pants does? Hoyt Jun 2012 #39

Not really... a gun in someone pants can actually be effective in self defense. OneTenthofOnePercent Jun 2012 #54

Yes, in a few cases, a gun in your pants might be effective. But, you can't just look at guns from Hoyt Jun 2012 #99

Why are you obsessed what's in my pants? Remmah2 Jun 2012 #95

Because guns are contagious. Hoyt Jun 2012 #100

For it to work you'll have to outlaw private sales, and somehow stolen firearms. ileus Jun 2012 #11

A press release in the Wall Street Journal? gejohnston Jun 2012 #13

Markertwatch huh... rrneck Jun 2012 #14

Well, if folks have no problem with the New York Post being cited in the thread... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #24

I think you missed the point. rrneck Jun 2012 #36

LOL @ use of the term "peer-reviewed" slackmaster Jun 2012 #27

Well done. n/t PavePusher Jun 2012 #29

And just like that, you've got me on your side Scootaloo Jun 2012 #37

Gun culture will never accept findings unless endorsed by Ted Nugent, manufacturers, Hoyt Jun 2012 #42

Anything that costs public money to implement and maintain, yet does no good, does harm to everyone slackmaster Jun 2012 #43

The "public money" stonewalling. Cost of maintaining database is small. Hoyt Jun 2012 #44

I think it's safe to assume that costs would be similar to those for New York's CoBIS system slackmaster Jun 2012 #55

$65 Billion from Oxnard to gejohnston Jun 2012 #59

Current plan for the first segment is 300 miles from Merced to the San Fernando Valley slackmaster Jun 2012 #65

What if it helps solve some crimes and track guns used in crime back to the source? Hoyt Jun 2012 #64

That's exactly what CoBIS was supposed to do in New York. Maryland and Hawaii have similar programs. slackmaster Jun 2012 #66

Not only that, one of the authors is Todd Lizotte, the inventor and patent-holder (?) petronius Jun 2012 #106

If you were to design a test... Glassunion Jun 2012 #108

Good stuff, but politicians won't pay any attention to that sciency stuff slackmaster Jun 2012 #109

So basically they proved that pressing a soft metal against a harder metal with a design on it... Clames Jun 2012 #40

Regarding microstamping.. Callisto32 Jun 2012 #92

Ah, just give it a try. Isn't that tactic right wing gun lobbyists used on shall issue, SYG, etc. Hoyt Jun 2012 #51

So you're saying that giving it a try to see what happens is NOT a good reason to do something slackmaster Jun 2012 #56

No, I'm saying microstamping is better for society than "shall issue," SYG, guns in more pants, etc. Hoyt Jun 2012 #63

Do your really mean better, or are you just trying to say it would be less harmful? slackmaster Jun 2012 #67

No. "Give it a try" isn't such a tactic. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #60

What's your problem with perhaps solving some crimes or helping track crime guns back to source? Hoyt Jun 2012 #68

What's your problem with physics? Clames Jun 2012 #74

Who says that but right wingers? This ain't physics, it's trying to decide what is good Hoyt Jun 2012 #75

You and your labels. Clames Jun 2012 #78

The only aspect remotely "physics, " is impact of bullet on someone who might not deserve it. Hoyt Jun 2012 #80

Wrong. Clames Jun 2012 #85

Fairly easy to prove. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #77

Your last comment is particularly ironic. What kind of trial will you give to one you perceive as Hoyt Jun 2012 #82

Pretty sleazy, Hoyt. Straw Man Jun 2012 #83

Again, what "trial" will you give someone if you put a lethal weapon in your pocket? Hoyt Jun 2012 #84

It's hard to convene a jury in a parking garage Glaug-Eldare Jun 2012 #86

What "trial" do police give armed assailants ... Straw Man Jun 2012 #104

Exactly the same kind that he is about to give to me... GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #91

How many times have you been attacked where a gun would have done you any good? Hoyt Jun 2012 #101

Are you giving absolute, 100%, guarantees that it won't happen? GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #102

This study....how many firearms with this technology did they put out there? ileus Jun 2012 #98

What about floating firing pins? Glassunion Jun 2012 #107