Gun Control & RKBA

Scootaloo

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58. What do you think Logical means by this, then?

Fri Jun 15, 2012, 12:45 AM

Jun 2012

Until then the honest citizens deserve to be as armed as the criminals.

This statement - By Logical, the Op of this thread, whose post was certainly the first one you saw when you opened this thread, which I have to just assume you chose to ignore when replying to me since it's sort of inconvenient for you - amounts to the idea that criminals are a massive threat and we ALL need to be well-armed against them. How well-armed? As well-armed as the criminals. How armed are the criminals, exactly? The standing assumption is very - an imprecise measurement, to be sure, but nevertheless, there you go.

This doesn't seem to jive with the crime statistics provided by spin, which show that violent crime has been in a steep and steady decline since ~1993, with the big one, homicide, never really being that huge a figure to start with.

So which is it? Is there a rising tide of criminals all lusting for our blood that we need to, en masse, be armed to fight against, or should we look at the actual data and think that Logical is pretty much full of shit on this one?

I'm going with the latter, myself.

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Wow, Wow, Wow.....No Gun Zones, Gun Registration, Background Checks and now Micro-stamping again! [View all] Logical Jun 2012 OP

B-b-b-b-b-butttttt...... PavePusher Jun 2012 #1

I am ready for some real answers. There has to be someone with a real plan! Logical Jun 2012 #3

I'm sure there is. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #73

The Plan? = "Trickle Down Gun Control" DonP Jun 2012 #79

The plan... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #81

Well, to be fair, rrneck Jun 2012 #2

Once these fail....what is the next step. ileus Jun 2012 #4

Yep, the answer is more guns everywhere for everyone.... rfranklin Jun 2012 #5

And where exactly (links) rl6214 Jun 2012 #11

If you can't see the policies that the NRA is fighting for you need to go to summer school... rfranklin Jun 2012 #70

I asked for links you gave us nada rl6214 Jun 2012 #82

Here you go Mr. Nada... rfranklin Jun 2012 #84

Nice try but not even close to rl6214 Jun 2012 #86

Mr. Nada... rfranklin Jun 2012 #88

I asked for someone to post a link with the following words rl6214 Jun 2012 #89

The sum of their actions proves the statement... rfranklin Jun 2012 #90

So they didn't ever really say that - you just naturally extrapolated it on your own. DonP Jun 2012 #91

Hilarious!!!! bongbong Jun 2012 #92

That's two! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2012 #93

Happy to give you some small amount of joy - you obviously need it. DonP Jun 2012 #94

Every post bongbong Jun 2012 #96

So you don't mind that gun control is off the political radar, that's great ... and very big of you. DonP Jun 2012 #97

WSOW bongbong Jun 2012 #98

Does that "we" include Wayne LaPierre as well? rfranklin Jun 2012 #99

No, but I used to spend a lot of time sitting at a desk in a Ward office in Chicago ... DonP Jun 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author rfranklin Jun 2012 #101

You're dealing with a Colonist- evidence is optional with them: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2012 #105

The "sum" of what "actions"? PavePusher Jun 2012 #95

So your argument is "criminals ignore laws"? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #6

It's "argument" #554 bongbong Jun 2012 #10

Logical DOES NOT LIKE the NRA so rl6214 Jun 2012 #13

Well, that may be, but his argument IS that criminals break the law Scootaloo Jun 2012 #21

The point is that these stupid laws do NOTHING to make people safer! Nothing! Except make people.... Logical Jun 2012 #103

A guy named "Logical" shouldn't froth so much Scootaloo Jun 2012 #104

So having ineffective laws works for you? Not for me! N-t Logical Jun 2012 #107

In my experience... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #108

Ineffective is no gun zones! Read about them! You sound like the one.... Logical Jun 2012 #109

LOL bongbong Jun 2012 #32

Well, technically speaking, the fewer laws, the lower the crime rate, right? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #15

Yes bongbong Jun 2012 #33

I haven't met a religion that WASN'T strange, so I won't just single out the shamans of shootin' Scootaloo Jun 2012 #59

That's because it only exists in your mind rl6214 Jun 2012 #83

LOL bongbong Jun 2012 #85

And another foolish post from the bong section rl6214 Jun 2012 #87

Looks like bongbong's alert on you was not successful: petronius Jun 2012 #102

Dosen't suprise me one bit rl6214 Jun 2012 #106

Dont ask me ask the NRA, they are the ones who want to put a gun in hands,, benld74 Jun 2012 #7

"Your right to drink stops the second someone drives drunk!" TheWraith Jun 2012 #8

I have no moral panic and I was providing my opinion, benld74 Jun 2012 #14

"Your right to financial derivatives stops when you cause the economy to collapse!" DanTex Jun 2012 #18

Probably more than that if you count the SYG by common law states like gejohnston Jun 2012 #9

Fun fact... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #17

I understand that, but gejohnston Jun 2012 #20

yes, yes in fact it does Scootaloo Jun 2012 #28

No, You don't actually understand how the laws work. gejohnston Jun 2012 #34

So then the laws was unnecessary, since it's "just the same"? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #48

they are more just changes gejohnston Jun 2012 #55

Holy shit, you're presenting arguments! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #63

you don't bother to read provided links do you? gejohnston Jun 2012 #74

"BUT your right to own guns stops the second an innocent person gets shot, killed, or worse." Clames Jun 2012 #22

Zimmerman may be standing behind "Stand Your Ground" ... spin Jun 2012 #47

Can you tell me... Scootaloo Jun 2012 #50

You'll probably get an answer... Clames Jun 2012 #57

What do you think Logical means by this, then? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #58

He's advocating for... PavePusher Jun 2012 #61

Freedom of choice? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #64

No, I put it in the message body so I could use the html italics tags for emphasis. PavePusher Jun 2012 #65

I'm not the one pulling "freedom of choice" out of my ass here, chief Scootaloo Jun 2012 #67

How many criminals does one need to enounter before one should be armed? mvccd1000 Jun 2012 #69

One encounter with a violent street criminal is enough to die from. GreenStormCloud Jun 2012 #71

I'm not pulling anything out of my ass. PavePusher Jun 2012 #80

This. Clames Jun 2012 #76

The fact remains that there is still violence in our society ... spin Jun 2012 #75

Naw... If I had nothing to do with the injury/death of the innocent person... PavePusher Jun 2012 #60

Why does MY right to own a weapon for self defense end "the second an innocent person gets shot"? Common Sense Party Jun 2012 #68

You say "Background checks do not prevent criminals from getting guns!" safeinOhio Jun 2012 #12

how well does it work in Canada? gejohnston Jun 2012 #16

DOESN'T COUNT! DOESN'T COUNT! DOESN'T COUNT! Scootaloo Jun 2012 #19

why not? gejohnston Jun 2012 #23

Here, let me show you. Scootaloo Jun 2012 #30

the FBI was not talking about registration gejohnston Jun 2012 #38

I was talking about background checks in that post about safeinOhio Jun 2012 #43

I did? gejohnston Jun 2012 #46

Sorry, I was talking about the original poster. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #52

Fair enough, my mix-up on that Scootaloo Jun 2012 #44

Good idea, lets compare safeinOhio Jun 2012 #24

like I told DanTex gejohnston Jun 2012 #31

Your link is dated 3/5/2000. Bill Clinton was POTUS at that time. spin Jun 2012 #78

I'm sorry, I should have said, safeinOhio Jun 2012 #25

Actually, it works great in Canada. Just look at their homicide rate compared to ours. DanTex Jun 2012 #27

It actually has little to nothing to do with thier homicide rate gejohnston Jun 2012 #29

Of course it does. This is criminology 101. DanTex Jun 2012 #35

you proved my point gejohnston Jun 2012 #41

Could you better explain safeinOhio Jun 2012 #45

I was using these definitions gejohnston Jun 2012 #51

OK lets compare handgun crime safeinOhio Jun 2012 #36

OK compare Thunder Bay with gejohnston Jun 2012 #42

This has been discussed before. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #53

What evidence do you have El Paso has a lot of immigrants? gejohnston Jun 2012 #56

Did their homocide rate drop after they started registration? PavePusher Jun 2012 #62

Registration does absolutely nothing. Clames Jun 2012 #26

WOW bongbong Jun 2012 #37

Once again... Clames Jun 2012 #39

2% denial rate? Logical Jun 2012 #40

I would disagree with you. safeinOhio Jun 2012 #49

"To address issues of increasing VIOLENT CRIME in the country, the NRA called for more prisons, AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #54

Mostly the fact that violent crime is on a steady decrease Scootaloo Jun 2012 #66

It's all they've got. jeepnstein Jun 2012 #72

OK children, guns are bad mKay n/t Spoonman Jun 2012 #77