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In reply to the discussion: Texas A&M Study Says Castle-Doctrine Laws Increase Homicides, Don't Deter Crime [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)6. Yeah, but the increase was almost all due to non-justifiable homicide.
The study found that the total effect of SYG nationwide was 50 extra justifiable homicides, versus to 500 to 700 extra cases of murder and manslaughter.
In contrast, we find significant evidence that the laws increase homicides.
Suggestive but inconclusive evidence indicates that castle doctrine laws increase the
narrowly defined category of justifiable homicides by private citizens by 17 to 50 percent,
which translates into as many as 50 additional justifiable homicides per year nationally due
to castle doctrine. More significantly, we find the laws increase murder and manslaughter
by a statistically significant 7 to 9 percent, which translates into an additional 500 to 700
homicides per year nationally across the states that adopted castle doctrine. Thus, by
lowering the expected costs associated with using lethal force, castle doctrine laws induce
more of it. This increase in homicides could be due either to the increased use of lethal
force in self-defense situations, or to the escalation of violence in otherwise non-lethal
conflicts. We suspect that self-defense situations are unlikely to explain all of the increase,
as we also find that murder alone is increased by a statistically significant 6 to 11 percent.
This is important because murder excludes non-negligent manslaughter classifications that
one might think are used more frequently in self-defense cases. But regardless of how one
interprets increases from various classifications, it is clear that the primary effect of
strengthening self-defense law is to increase homicide.
Suggestive but inconclusive evidence indicates that castle doctrine laws increase the
narrowly defined category of justifiable homicides by private citizens by 17 to 50 percent,
which translates into as many as 50 additional justifiable homicides per year nationally due
to castle doctrine. More significantly, we find the laws increase murder and manslaughter
by a statistically significant 7 to 9 percent, which translates into an additional 500 to 700
homicides per year nationally across the states that adopted castle doctrine. Thus, by
lowering the expected costs associated with using lethal force, castle doctrine laws induce
more of it. This increase in homicides could be due either to the increased use of lethal
force in self-defense situations, or to the escalation of violence in otherwise non-lethal
conflicts. We suspect that self-defense situations are unlikely to explain all of the increase,
as we also find that murder alone is increased by a statistically significant 6 to 11 percent.
This is important because murder excludes non-negligent manslaughter classifications that
one might think are used more frequently in self-defense cases. But regardless of how one
interprets increases from various classifications, it is clear that the primary effect of
strengthening self-defense law is to increase homicide.
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Texas A&M Study Says Castle-Doctrine Laws Increase Homicides, Don't Deter Crime [View all]
SecularMotion
Jun 2012
OP
Raul Rodriguez, birthday party shooter, is a perfect example of a man who felt empowered
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#1
There isn't any law in Texas that, on the face of it, justifies the jury's decision.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#64
You're allowed to shoot burglars of your neighbor's property as long as you stand in your own yard?
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#131
The FBI classification system they are using classifies almost all self defense shootings as murder
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#13
I see how this goes, you find out that self-defense isn't in the data set so...
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#31
The author's have already admitted that the FBI counts self-defense as murder or manslaughter
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#44
I've read your posts, they are the same misrepresentations of fact repeated over and over...
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#53
Actually, the study is about different kinds of laws that make it easier to use lethal force...
DanTex
Jun 2012
#20
Your excerpt says that the principle of "retreat to the wall" has a long history ...
spin
Jun 2012
#74
I don't think it is a question of being opposed to resisting violent crime.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#70
I'll wager that virtually all those philosophically opposed to resisting violent crime
crayfish
Jun 2012
#92
If that's your position, you should be advocating for disarming cops. Their reasons for carrying
crayfish
Jun 2012
#91
Fine. You can employ whatever tools you think will work for you for self defense. Do not dictate
crayfish
Jun 2012
#111
In most shall-issue states an FBI background investigation is required of the applicant.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#88
Does this pricipal apply also to the Thirteenth and Twenty-sixth Amendments? n/t
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#133
"...if you carry a gun and use it to harm someone who is not carrying a gun, you are a criminal."
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#107
SYG & CD are not designed to deter crime. And it follows logically that homicides increase. So what?
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jun 2012
#17
I think you might need a few more decimal points to identify with your SN
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#37
Because you want many citizens to be defenseless against violent criminals.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#109
Bullshit! I don't want anyone to be defenseless against anything or anyone.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#110
The real-world result of your policies would be armed criminals and helpless citizens.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#119
Opposing is not denying. It's not my business if people want to act foolishly.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#123
If only we could quiz the "authors" on their opinion of the 2A...then we'd see their true agenda.
ileus
Jun 2012
#43
Unfortunately, studies and empirical evidence are not going to change the minds of the NRA crowd.
DanTex
Jun 2012
#54