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In reply to the discussion: Texas A&M Study Says Castle-Doctrine Laws Increase Homicides, Don't Deter Crime [View all]DanTex
(20,709 posts)42. Sorry, you're wrong.
They measured self-defense using the FBI Uniform Crime Reporting's standard on justifiable homicides:
We use these data to test whether strengthening state self-defense laws does any of
three things. First, we ask whether these laws result in differential response on the part of
the civilians. To do so, we use data on justifiable homicide by private citizens, which is
defined as the killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen
(Uniform Crime Reporting Handbook, 2004). A natural concern is whether reporting a
homicide as justifiable depends in part on the self-defense laws in the state at the time.
The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Handbook makes it clear this should not be the case.
For example, the handbook emphasizes that law enforcement agencies must report the
willful (nonnegligent) killing of one individual by another, not the criminal liability of the
person or persons involved (Uniform Crime Reporting Handbook, 2004).
three things. First, we ask whether these laws result in differential response on the part of
the civilians. To do so, we use data on justifiable homicide by private citizens, which is
defined as the killing of a felon, during the commission of a felony, by a private citizen
(Uniform Crime Reporting Handbook, 2004). A natural concern is whether reporting a
homicide as justifiable depends in part on the self-defense laws in the state at the time.
The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting Handbook makes it clear this should not be the case.
For example, the handbook emphasizes that law enforcement agencies must report the
willful (nonnegligent) killing of one individual by another, not the criminal liability of the
person or persons involved (Uniform Crime Reporting Handbook, 2004).
It is true that some of the increase in homicide is due to self-defense. But most of it is not. To be precise, the authors found that SYG resulted in 500-700 extra homicides, and only 50 extra justifiable homicides. They go on to point out that, even if you expand the definition of "self-defense" beyond the FBI classification, it is still unlikely that this would account for all of the increase, because killings classified as "murder" increased significantly, as well as those classified as manslaughter.
In the end, there is zero evidence to back your original claim that "it is likely" that the increase is due to criminals being killed.
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Texas A&M Study Says Castle-Doctrine Laws Increase Homicides, Don't Deter Crime [View all]
SecularMotion
Jun 2012
OP
Raul Rodriguez, birthday party shooter, is a perfect example of a man who felt empowered
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#1
There isn't any law in Texas that, on the face of it, justifies the jury's decision.
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#64
You're allowed to shoot burglars of your neighbor's property as long as you stand in your own yard?
pnwmom
Jun 2012
#131
The FBI classification system they are using classifies almost all self defense shootings as murder
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#13
I see how this goes, you find out that self-defense isn't in the data set so...
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#31
The author's have already admitted that the FBI counts self-defense as murder or manslaughter
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#44
I've read your posts, they are the same misrepresentations of fact repeated over and over...
Taitertots
Jun 2012
#53
Actually, the study is about different kinds of laws that make it easier to use lethal force...
DanTex
Jun 2012
#20
Your excerpt says that the principle of "retreat to the wall" has a long history ...
spin
Jun 2012
#74
I don't think it is a question of being opposed to resisting violent crime.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#70
I'll wager that virtually all those philosophically opposed to resisting violent crime
crayfish
Jun 2012
#92
If that's your position, you should be advocating for disarming cops. Their reasons for carrying
crayfish
Jun 2012
#91
Fine. You can employ whatever tools you think will work for you for self defense. Do not dictate
crayfish
Jun 2012
#111
In most shall-issue states an FBI background investigation is required of the applicant.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#88
Does this pricipal apply also to the Thirteenth and Twenty-sixth Amendments? n/t
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#133
"...if you carry a gun and use it to harm someone who is not carrying a gun, you are a criminal."
PavePusher
Jun 2012
#107
SYG & CD are not designed to deter crime. And it follows logically that homicides increase. So what?
OneTenthofOnePercent
Jun 2012
#17
I think you might need a few more decimal points to identify with your SN
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#37
Because you want many citizens to be defenseless against violent criminals.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#109
Bullshit! I don't want anyone to be defenseless against anything or anyone.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#110
The real-world result of your policies would be armed criminals and helpless citizens.
GreenStormCloud
Jun 2012
#119
Opposing is not denying. It's not my business if people want to act foolishly.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#123
If only we could quiz the "authors" on their opinion of the 2A...then we'd see their true agenda.
ileus
Jun 2012
#43
Unfortunately, studies and empirical evidence are not going to change the minds of the NRA crowd.
DanTex
Jun 2012
#54